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Old 1st April 2012   #1
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UK & Ireland Regional Euro Qualifiers - Newington - 2012/06/03

Date: Sunday 3rd June 2012
Location: Newington Gardens Court (2 courts), Harper Rd, London
Aim: Qualifier for UK and Ireland's Slots for European Championships.
7 automatic qualification slots for the tournament in Paris and 3 slots for the wildcard pre-tournament in Rouen
Rules for player/team participation:
Teams can only participate if the UK or Irish polo scenes are the 'primary' polo scenes for the majority of their players (2 out of 3) and players are not representing any other teams in other national/regional qualifiers.

A player can only represent one team

2 out of 3 of the players in a team that plays in the UK qualifiers, must also play in the Euros.

Registration: Closes May 25th
Format: To be announced after Registration closes


To make the results as accurate as possible we want to keep the team numbers low. So please only enter if:
a) You are prepared to attend both the Euros and the wildcard(s)
b) You believe you have a realistic chance of finishing in the top 10 in the UK.

This is not a tournament for someone who wants to come along and just have a fun day of polo, there are plenty of other tournaments for that.


The format will depend on the number of teams. An ideal scenario would be round robin, swiss rounds doesn't give accurate midtable results. If there are more than 12 teams I will look into a custom format, with a final RR for the midtable teams. There will be no elimination stage.

Last edited by John H; 6th May 2012 at 22:49.
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Old 1st April 2012   #2
punkturedonor
purely for selfish reasons (as far as I know Hackney Goal Slotters are hoping to attend this) is there any chance of doing it on the 28th April weekend?
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Old 1st April 2012   #3
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I don't mean to start a request section but I really hope that it will not be on the weekend of the 12th, as I have an exam on the Saturday.

I have exams all around that period, but I could probably make the weekends directly before or after.
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Old 1st April 2012   #4
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purely for selfish reasons (as far as I know Hackney Goal Slotters are hoping to attend this) is there any chance of doing it on the 28th April weekend?
This would be too short notice for people in Ireland to book time off to travel
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Old 1st April 2012   #5
punkturedonor
fair point
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Old 1st April 2012   #6
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Only around for the last dates you've listed.
Wedding and honeymoon will take me up til then.
And I'm not breaking that for a stupid game which rules my life!
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Old 1st April 2012   #7
phatyack
i won't get time off for traveling to uk til the 8th of june. (thesis, ya know) which is probably too late if people wanna book flights to the euros while they are cheap ish
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Old 2nd April 2012   #8
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I know that this is being organised under the UKHBPA, and I by no means want to undermine that, but seeing as not everyone interested in the qualification process was able to attend this meeting, could we not hold an online poll to determine dates?

I am not suggesting a series of polls, that would be a mess, just one to determine which dates suit the majority of people wishing to attend the qualification tourney.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #9
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That would certainly be more productive than everyone listing their own preferred date for the tournament.

Ireland transport time issues should be taken into account (or their transport costs should be offset with a small team registration payment in my opinion).

Just curious: If any players can't make it, then the 2 of 3 rule applies, right?
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Old 2nd April 2012   #10
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yes we could, but in reality we are massively limited on dates, and it also depends on when courts are available.

Before May is too soon for people to organise travel to this.
After early June is too late to organise travel to France.

27/29 April is Ladies Army
5/6/7 May is ok
12/13 May is ok
19/20 May is Cambridge
26/27 May is Padova
2/3/4 June is ok
9/10 June is Brighton.

We could have a vote on those 3 options.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #11
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Would 2 out of 3 apply? Yes, if we wanted it to.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #12
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Well, the UKHBPA should probably make a decision about it, it's been the historical approach and is worth pondering.

The three proposed dates make sense.

Nice one UK.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #13
punkturedonor
vote on those 3 options sounds like a good idea. There prob should be a thread on lobp linking to the poll/vote so the irish are fully aware of it too cause im not sure that all of them check lfgss...
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Old 2nd April 2012   #14
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This needs to set up and a deadline announced for voting to end.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #15
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I agree that April is too early for the Irish teams. From the dates listed by John I think the sooner the better to give people optimum time to plan travel. So 5/6 may makes sense IMO
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Old 2nd April 2012   #16
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Also with it being bank hoilday on the Monday (7th) then it means travelling teams have extra time to get back to work
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Old 2nd April 2012   #17
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vote on those 3 options sounds like a good idea. There prob should be a thread on lobp linking to the poll/vote so the irish are fully aware of it too cause im not sure that all of them check lfgss...
realistically, we'd probably check here just as much as we'd check LOBP. and between myself, emmet, alex and stevie, we can tell the other interested parties to vote.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #18
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Iain used a good online poll thing at doodle.com to organise our league games if you're not aware of that it could be useful.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #19
punkturedonor
+1 to a doodle poll

...though Brendan's cat is impartial and experienced at doing this kinda stuff...
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Old 2nd April 2012   #20
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he's just waiting for the call.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #21
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just testing the water here, but how would people feel about team warin playing in this? Personally would love to come (even though the chances of qualifying are slim) and my mindset coming in to this would be a chance to play some really good polo rather thank just to get drunk. But at the same time totally understand if people aren't happy with this due to Alf's age and size. Let me know what people think as would rather not come than to come and people be pissed off about it.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #22
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Do it.

I would rather see Team Warin in the Euros than any other team.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #23
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.. But at the same time totally understand if people aren't happy with this due to Alf's age and size.
Alf (and yourself) more than make up for it in skill. What about time off school if you were to qualify tho? Would be a great educational experience too.

Last edited by Hyper Allah; 2nd April 2012 at 20:55.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #24
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If you think you've got a chance and you can make the wildcard and tourney then go for it, they're the only stipulations. Age and size mean fuck all, look at Bill.
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Old 2nd April 2012   #25
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just testing the water here, but how would people feel about team warin playing in this? Personally would love to come (even though the chances of qualifying are slim) and my mindset coming in to this would be a chance to play some really good polo rather thank just to get drunk. But at the same time totally understand if people aren't happy with this due to Alf's age and size. Let me know what people think as would rather not come than to come and people be pissed off about it.
if Manchester can enter then you can! Insert beagle smiley? P.s I love you Manchester and I'd never steal your banner..
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Old 2nd April 2012   #26
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Love you too man.

*coughtwatcough* ;)
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Old 2nd April 2012   #27
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cheers guys, <3 u all
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Old 3rd April 2012   #28
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Looking at the dates, is Padova going to be a problem for many people? seems a shame not to use it if just a few people are thinking of going.
Also would it be possible to set up an area to use for chat as UKHBPA reps to broach any issues that arise before we want to discuss them in the public domain?
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Old 3rd April 2012   #29
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Yep me & cam are playing in padova
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Old 3rd April 2012   #30
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Abit lame to clash with a tourney when there are free dates IMO.
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Old 3rd April 2012   #31
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Also would it be possible to set up an area to use for chat as UKHBPA reps to broach any issues that arise before we want to discuss them in the public domain?
A subforum has been set up. The manchester rep should have been sent an invite by Luca
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Old 3rd April 2012   #32
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Not saying it isn't, but should be be completely unavailable as an option if it's just the 2 of you and, say, there are 5 people who have trouble with the other dates.
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Old 3rd April 2012   #33
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Good, I'll check with Luca.
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Old 4th April 2012   #34
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IMO, it's one thing if people can't make dates for non-polo reasons, you are always going to have that, but it would seem stupid to clash with one of the highest standard polo tournaments in Europe this year, and the sort of place teams who want to play in the Euros should be going. It would be like clashing with GM, LO, LII, Imperia etc. If it was something smaller then it wouldn't be an issue.
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Old 4th April 2012   #35
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Not saying it isn't, but should be be completely unavailable as an option if it's just the 2 of you and, say, there are 5 people who have trouble with the other dates.
I think it would be stupid when you have two to three options already that don't clash then you want to have an option to clash it with the biggest polo tourney in Europe this year. Madness..
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Old 4th April 2012   #36
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So when will the reps of the UKHBPA make a decision on these dates? If it ends up going to a public vote that all players can vote on then what's the point of the UKHBPA in this particular decision making process? I know nothing has been announced yet, just thinking out loud here. IMO if this does go to a player vote then the UKHBPA has fallen at the first hurdle.
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Old 4th April 2012   #37
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Why? There is no hurdle?
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Old 4th April 2012   #38
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Wasn't it the view that the UKHBPA would vote on this? So rather than all the players just the 10 reps or whatever?

So the first hurdle is making a decision on these dates. Isn't this the first objective of the UKHBPA?
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Old 4th April 2012   #39
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Ok I get you.

Well guess they offered dates that there aren't any polo tourneys and letting us vote on it. Nothing too wrong with that but will be a long process.
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Old 4th April 2012   #40
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The first objective should be to write a constitution and create your association really, but there's probably little time for that now.

I have no idea why you wouldn't canvas all UK polo players (regardless of using popular vote, or not)?
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Old 4th April 2012   #41
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I have no idea why you wouldn't canvas all UK polo players (regardless of using popular vote, or not)?
I agree with this Jono. Just wasn't sure how it would work from a city by city point of view.

Should the reps canvas all the votes from their city and feed back to Luca as head of the UKBPA, or do we all just vote on LFGSS? Just after some clarification really.

Last edited by Dr Chan; 4th April 2012 at 08:39.
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Old 4th April 2012   #42
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Trying to get up to speed on all things UKHBPA - do I understand it correctly that all the reps made a decision to host the tournament under the auspices of the UKHPA and then will/have published short-listed dates which will it is proposed will go to a popular vote?

Is the vote to be determined by the same outline criteria for the tournament ie. only vote if you can go to the tournament etc.?

We could cut-to-the-chase and accept that we should vote as the to-be-registered/qualifying teams rather than individuals - maybe that would make it simpler, faster and more transparent?
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Old 4th April 2012   #43
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Neil's idea sounds good if you're looking for a resolution sooner rather than later.
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Old 4th April 2012   #44
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I think it would be stupid when you have two to three options already that don't clash then you want to have an option to clash it with the biggest polo tourney in Europe this year. Madness..
not stirring adz but if is sooo big why are there only 3 people from the UK going? Thats not a huge majority of the qualifiers is it? If you werent one of those three people, you probably wouldnt give a fuck.
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Old 4th April 2012   #45
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Neil's idea is great! I would vote for that, idea.
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Old 4th April 2012   #46
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*coughthinkImentionedthatinthepublastnightcough*
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Old 4th April 2012   #47
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not stirring adz but if is sooo big why are there only 3 people from the UK going? Thats not a huge majority of the qualifiers is it? If you werent one of those three people, you probably wouldnt give a fuck.
Just meant as in biggest number of player registration. Also lots of top , shame less UK teams are not going. General trend has always been to avoid the polo calender.
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Old 4th April 2012   #48
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vote here:

http://www.doodle.com/dycghzgzx2c9qqfw

i wasnt sure if it would work so i didnt post it straight away. let me know if it isnt working etc. i just quickly done the thing because this needed to be decided on quickly.
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Old 4th April 2012   #49
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voted, nice work luca
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Old 4th April 2012   #50
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So, was this process and the dates short-listed agreed by a majority of the reps at the weekend - I'm guessing not. If so, that is a poor start for UKHPA IMHO.

When is the vote to be counted/called BTW?
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