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Old 10th February 2012   #501
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Could someone break the embargo on Shimano 2013 range already

*drums fingers*
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Old 10th February 2012   #502
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Could someone break the embargo on Shimano 2013 range already

*drums fingers*
I thought they were going 11 speed. Like Campagnolo, but far more reliable...



....and ugly.
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Old 10th February 2012   #503
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Will they do 105 Di2 or is that going to be delayed another year so not to cannibalise Ultegra Di2 sales?
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Old 10th February 2012   #504
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Be interesting to see. DA 9000 has been seen in testing, and two years after the original Di2 they'll hit the upgrade cycle with DA 9000.

Mind you, what sort of price point would they hit with 105 Di2? If it was a 500 groupset that'd be hugely tempting.

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Old 10th February 2012   #505
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They may bring a surprise and have 105 Di2, couldn't see it myself for another year or so yet though.

I'd be sold on it!
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Old 11th February 2012   #506
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Is there any benefit to bringing out a 105 Di2?

RRP:

Ultegra Di2 = 1,700
Ultegra = 1k
105 = 550

So it's hard to see where you'd price it... unless ultimately +105 will all be electric. Or i guess if it was around the 1,400 mark then people would still go for Ultegra.

Also out of curiousity, I'd guess most groupset sales are to shops on OTPs, but when you get to above the 105 level does it switch to people buying the groupsets?
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Old 11th February 2012   #507
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out of curiosity do UDi2 parts work with Di2 parts?

as in UDi controller and Di actuators, or (proposed) 105Di controller and UDi/Di actuators
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Old 11th February 2012   #508
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Nope, Dura Ace Di2 is simple signalling, Ultegra Di2 is
CAN_bus

105 would undoubtedly be CANbus also, and DA 9000 Di2.

So, if you are interested in "hacking" your groupset, DA Di2 is the one to get- custom battery packs etc.
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Old 11th February 2012   #509
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interesting, there's several can-bus developer tools so it wouldn't be hard for an automotive software engineer to tweak the 5 nodes (7 if they go to braking too); probably simpler than the bespoke? DADi2 protocol
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Old 11th February 2012   #510
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There's been some nice custom installs of Di2 which have had full sequential up/down shifting from gear 1-20 using a rocker switch and with a long hold to dump gears quickly.

This is the kind of thing electronic shifting will be good for allowing different control mnechanisms instead of just replicating manual levers.

Crumpton Di2
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Old 11th February 2012   #511
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Does anyone know if SRAM have plans to release a new Force group?

Looks like I'm going to have to live with Campag for a while longer due to money constraints (woe is me, I only have 10spd Record #FWP) - though it might not be such a bad thing if I can pick up some cheaper (older) Red, Force or Ultegra stuff on the cheap slowly.
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Old 11th February 2012   #512
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Good comparisons between the various groupsets here:
http://redkiteprayer.com/?p=7272 - Dura Ace
http://redkiteprayer.com/?p=7303 - Super-Record
http://redkiteprayer.com/?p=7379 - Red
http://redkiteprayer.com/?p=7508 - Winner

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Old 11th February 2012   #513
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Good post.
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Old 11th February 2012   #514
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yeah read those this morning - a good balanced set of reviews I thought
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Old 11th February 2012   #515
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Old 11th February 2012   #516
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But yeah, fair and balanced reviews.
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Old 11th February 2012   #517
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It's Campag, you filthy colonial.
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Old 11th February 2012   #518
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Nice reviews those.

One thing I always find slightly odd though- people go on and on and on about Campag looking good- is this like the Emperors new clothes, are they deliberatly ignoring how fucking hideous Campag Ergo units are?

They look like the casting tool used to make flesh lights.
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Old 11th February 2012   #519
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What's a flesh light?

ah....uh....

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Old 11th February 2012   #520
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It's Campag, you filthy colonial.
^ this

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Nice reviews those.

One thing I always find slightly odd though- people go on and on and on about Campag looking good...
Campag historically have made and decorated parts less badly than the other two. But really it's a bit silly that the 'looks' are a thing on road bikes. Who really cares except LFGSS and some MAMILs in the LBS. Most people see a cyclist... on a bike... whizzzing past... dressed like a twat.

Most current plastic performance rockets look a bit goofy. And so they should. They'll still be future classics once they've earned some prestige being ridden and crashed by winning teams.

#moscomulesinearly
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Old 11th February 2012   #521
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The curvy camapgnolo hoods are teh sex.

Went out on the BeeMC last night, as the roads were almost ice free. It is not ultremo season yet though, and it is bastard dark everywhere (hurricane Dagmar ate our street lights). It was a sketchy ride. I was very grateful for the safe braking from the hoods, and great grip they offer. Also the fact that no matter how I move my hands around the bars, trying to get out of the freezing wind. I can alway reach the gears without thought. The positive click of every gear is sublime.

I love my super record.

Thats all.
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Old 11th February 2012   #522
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Did your labrador have any trouble running ahead of you with no street lights?
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Old 11th February 2012   #523
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Campy
Er..Did you read what he/they chose as the winning groupset?
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Old 11th February 2012   #524
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Er..Did you read what he/they chose as the winning groupset?
It's the term I find annoying. That Campagolo themselves have used it doesn't make it any better.
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Old 11th February 2012   #525
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Nice reviews those.

One thing I always find slightly odd though- people go on and on and on about Campag looking good- is this like the Emperors new clothes, are they deliberatly ignoring how fucking hideous Campag Ergo units are?

They look like the casting tool used to make flesh lights.

Campag ergolevers are the best looking and best designed of any of the big 3 imho..
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Old 11th February 2012   #526
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whats the difference with electronic shizzle? whats it replace/do??

*stickingwithmy105tillibuyaitalianstalion*
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Old 11th February 2012   #527
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it shifts when you click it.
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Old 11th February 2012   #528
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Did your labrador have any trouble running ahead of you with no street lights?
Just had some Smart light, that I got free with some PX overshoes, mounted. If I had a labrador. I would have probably hit it.
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Old 12th February 2012   #529
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I hear lots of people say they always replace their chain and cassette together. I replace my chain about every 2000 miles. When I was racing and my jumps had more spice (and torque), I replaced them every 1000 miles. Consequently, I don’t wear out cassettes. If you replace the chain often enough, the cassette cogs will last a long time.
Huh, thought I was the only one who does that.
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Old 1st March 2012   #530
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Right then, thread resurrection.

I'm getting a new groupset for my LOOK and am torn between SRAM Force, Shimano Ultegra, or if I can stretch to Ultegra Di2.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreicated, budget ideally 700 (which I know doesn't cover Ultegra Di2, but this is an outside option...)

Ta
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Old 1st March 2012   #531
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Pop round to a reputable bicycle shop that have both SRAM and Ultegra gruppo bicycle, test ride them both, and see which one feel more comfortable for you.
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Old 1st March 2012   #532
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Or SRAM.
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Old 1st March 2012   #533
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Yep was going to test them both definitely at 700 inWindsor, just wanted to get some other feedback from people who have had more time than a spin round the block ;)
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Old 1st March 2012   #534
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It's very much a personal preference, some get on with Shimano, some SRAM etc.

Each manufacturer tend to be different, i.e. with Shimano you shift the brake levers, whether SRAM/Campag you don't, this is one example of personal preference; some people don't like how much wrist movement there is when shifting with a Shimano shifter, whether some actually like the ability to shift and brake at the same time.

Both of them are very good groupset, all that left to do is simply decided on which one you prefer the feel of.
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Old 1st March 2012   #535
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And then get the electric one, as it makes a cool noise
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Old 1st March 2012   #536
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AFAIK you can shift and brake at the same time with all the big 3 manufacturers.
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Old 1st March 2012   #537
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Planet x had pictures on their facebook of the new SRAM disc brakes set up.
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Old 1st March 2012   #538
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AFAIK you can shift and brake at the same time with all the big 3 manufacturers.
Tricky with Sram, to be honest- I'd rather do one then the other lest I run the risk of making a mess of both (and by extension me)
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Old 1st March 2012   #539
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AFAIK you can shift and brake at the same time with all the big 3 manufacturers.
Sorry, I should've been a little more clearer on that.

I mean that the Shimano have the ability for the brake lever to shift along with the shifter, whether SRAM/Campag doesn't.

Some people like that, some don't.
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Old 1st March 2012   #540
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Tricky with Sram, to be honest- I'd rather do one then the other lest I run the risk of making a mess of both (and by extension me)
I suppose you need to judge the swing more. Pretty easy with Campagnolo.

I often change gear while braking at the end of a desent.

The hoods of the leccy Ultegra look nice.
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Old 1st March 2012   #541
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Planet x had pictures on their facebook of the new SRAM disc brakes set up.
Well, it's just a standard Avid BB5 cable operated disc brakes, the highlight is the fact it's a road frame...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh167/edscoble/429559_403019999714530_158554890827710_1770574_869374896_n.jpg?t=1330608435
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Old 1st March 2012   #542
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I don't have much of an idea about this kind of thing Ed.
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Old 1st March 2012   #543
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It's very much a personal preference, some get on with groupsets that work, like Shimano, others like to use groupsets that look good whilst the failed bike is sat by the side of the road, like SRAM etc.
SRAM did look pretty though.
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Old 1st March 2012   #544
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SRAM did look pretty though.
I'm sorry?

http://gallery.roadbikereview.com/data/roadbike/500/medium/2013-SRAM-Red-hydraulic-disc-brake.jpg
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Old 1st March 2012   #545
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I like those hoods.

Good for that aero cupping the lever hoods position. Also for the CX users, the hoods can be used like bar-ends on the trail.
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Old 1st March 2012   #546
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"did" look pretty, ie. the original group. New stuff is gash,.
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Old 1st March 2012   #547
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These look like the ultimate levers to me.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pHkf5wRpqnM/TnnuJLWXx1I/AAAAAAAARfE/iAjKsDM1SV0/s1600/pinc6.jpg
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Old 1st March 2012   #548
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My eyes!
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Old 1st March 2012   #549
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"did" look pretty, ie. the original group. New stuff is gash,.

have to agree - new stuff is yuk
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Old 1st March 2012   #550
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http://cdn3.media.cyclingnews.futurecdn.net/2012/02/01/1/sram_red13_crank_standard_600.jpg
http://www.bicycling.com/sites/default/files/images/xtr980%20-%20crank.jpg
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