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ordered! thanks :)

Topical and encouraging! I thank you.

omg a piece of history. glws mate

Selling my lovely fun NJS bike for something else. It's been a courier bike for a few years and this is actually the second time I've owned it (I liked it so much I bought it back, about 4 years after selling it the first time around). CTC it's 56cm but with a low ish BB so you can get away with it if, like me, you usually ride 55s.

It's got a small (non-structural, I hasten to add) ding in the top tube you can see in the pictures which is less noticeable in the... flesh (?).

Fun, light bike with an indestructible beater wheelset I got off the forum last year.

Please don't make me split it. £550 for frame, forks, headset, bb, sug75 cranks, wheelset and chain (so, everything in the picture except the seatpost, pedals and salsa stem, I'm keeping those ta). The carbon flat bars are yours if you want them.

Dibs followed by PM pls. Pick up from Watford or I can meet you at Euston when lockdown is over. I'll be sure to wipe down the bike and masks are a must. Paypal is king.

Still on the hunt for this if anyone has an old one lying about!

@tinakino what did you go for in the end? how's it going?

i am going to very politely hijack this thread because i'm writing a blog about older adults and bikes. if you have your own experience of this intersection i'd be most interested! dm me pls

Pink LFGSS stickers

1 - Dogs
2 - AlexD
3 - Spotter
4 - ioreka x 2

Most agreeable. Thanks badger team

Cadburys hot chocolate powder is accidentally vegan!

who on the forum is a design verification engineer (electronics)? semi-urgent request

I hated the fit of the Levis commuter jeans (even the womens - what kind of woman were they modelling these on?! absurd) but I really like GAP mens chinos - straight, no taper, black - very comfy and seem to be immune to the 6-month-threadbare-arse fail

Haha excellent!! Well done buddy, very interested to see what she thinks (and, of course, the colour she picks and what extra exciting add-ons 😂)

Resurrecting this thread to say that, despite moving outside of London (ish) and pretty much dropping out of cycling, one of the first times I've ridden properly recently I got about fifteen seconds from my front door and a man in van actually slowed down to give him enough time to wind down his window and pass comment on me. I almost just went home again out of sheer exasperation. I pretended not to hear him

as a Brompton owner I honestly couldn't recommend them enough - and the electric ones are very nippy (speedy and helpful) but these come at a whopping cost and they really are quite a lot heavier. so, kinda depends on the person and the use case! even if your mum doesn't lift it, or even fold it often, they are handy. re: cost, they are long term investments and come with a lifetime guarantee iirc, plus a ton of add-ons to make it perfect for your use case. i had a different folding bike before and the Brompton is an order of magnitude better imo.

but as you clarified - compact bikes not necessarily folding bikes, honestly i really couldn't say without speaking to your mum! you may have to yolo it and pick the best one given the data you have (lightweight, fairly affordable, can attach some kind of pannier or rack or basket, easily mounted/dismounted so a low bar/stepthrough, eBike or not) and in six months or a couple years you'll (and she'll) have a clearer idea of whether this is the right bike for her - in which case you can sell up and refine and get a bike better fit for her purposes. i think you're doing a great job of exploring options!

Oh go on babes we can match

It was Luxury Dingle, but I'll take Pringle as a fitting malapropism

Luxury Dingle:
@szeliaxe (Tom)
@ioreka (Lucy)
Callum

Can post it to you if you like, or we can meet up for physically-distant pizza and plant swaps! I'm in SE1 on Thursday evenings but other than that largely out in Watford still. Would be lovely to see you (both)

@tinakino I can't @ you because i don't know how to internet but your reply/thoughts sound totally reasonable - as an OTP solution a very-low-stepthrough, e-bike or not, and not too heavy are important. I wish I had recommendations for a brand but I'm sure you'll do the research! Good luck and let us know what you decide.

@Hulsroy that is the OT's dream. What a wonderful bike. I write a blog about healthtech/OT/ older adult care, can I feature it on my site? Would just require a few more questions via DM :)

For context, I'm an occupational therapist and have worked with older adults (my favourite field) both in the community and in inpatient settings. I also worked with mid-life and younger differently-able adults (mental health/physical health concerns and/or addiction issues) with HHV's Wheels for Wellbeing a few times with clients. I love to get older adults on bikes, confidently and safely. I have a couple of thoughts:

Actually she would like an eBike, but frankly I'd rather like to talk her out of that idea

Professionally and personally, I respectfully disagree! I believe your concerns come from a very caring and logical place. However, motivation, meaning and engagement will be a big part of this being successful so I encourage you to respect her wishes and at least look into eBikes with her. They might not push the person to pedal as hard or frequently as a regular bike, but it might be the case that she wants to rides the eBike eg to a swimming pool, and that's how she'd like to stay fit! Even with your far more extensive background in cycling, she may want to experience bikes in a different way and have her heart set on an eBike, in which case her motivation to get going will be more easily-sustained if you help her achieve this. If you talk her into a different bike, be prepared for this to not be successful an initiative as you may have been expecting. I appreciate this is "common sense" but I've seen it happen so many times.

I think a regular bike will help her stay fit

Fitness is wonderful, but interestingly for older adults balance is more important for reducing falls - a leading cause of disability. I can refer you here to the most excellent resource - Camilla Cavendish's "Extra Time: 10 Lessons For Living Longer Better":

In 2017, [Sir Muir Gray] and colleagues calculated that the UK could save several billions a year from ‘even modest improvements in fitness’ to stop older people crossing the line from independence to dependence: needing carers or going into a home. [...] The fitness gap can be narrowed, Gray argues, from any age. Even 90-year-olds can improve their strength with relatively small amounts of exercise. Three months of balance and gait training, and mild weight-bearing exercises, can reduce falls - which are responsible for 5 times as many hospitalisations among the over-65s as any other injury. [...] In the UK, 10 percent of ambulances are called out for older people who have fallen over.

And Dr Anna Dixon, Chief Exec of the UK's Centre for Ageing Better:
There is strong evidence that strength and balance exercises can reverse muscle wasting and thereby prevent falls.

I also saw recently an infographic on how poor an impact casual cycling has on fitness level compared to other activities haha (which of course, sod's law, I can't find now) from a good source so it's not as if getting a non-eBike would magically make or keep your mum fit unless she has plans to ride it frequently, for sustained periods.

Anyway - you were asking for recommendations, not a monologue! I'm going to try a slightly different tack and ask you to think about:

• what your mum's needs are on a bike (basket or panniers or any kind of thing like that)
  
• cool useful things like a bell, a kickstand, mudguards any other preferences
  
• what your mum's gearing needs are (though you did say it was flat)
  
• whether she wants to try one out in the shop or you're happy to buy online and yolo it
  
  

Lastly, this is not aimed at OP but generally a reminder for anyone who reads this thread, "the elderly" is not a homogenous group and chronological age really does not give any insight into functional ability, fitness level or personal preference. I would really strongly argue that you find the bike to fit the person and their needs and preferences, not their demographic (this is bolstered by YEARS of having "women's" specific bikes marketed towards me inaccurately, and years of working with an incredibly diverse range of older adults. What does it mean for a bike to be "for the elderly?" - can you answer this without invoking stereotypes?). All too often, a google for "xyz for elderly" brings up ageist images that perpetuate this idea that all older adults have the same needs/functional capacity. We should just be asking what they need/want and using our expertise to help. /soapbox

that's really kind, thank you Scott >^.^< i'm sure i'll be able to find something but i'll keep it in mind, i'd feel bad taking some off you as i know it's hard to get! i've emailed college sewing (who i got some parts off after one of the dogs chewed the knobs off, sigh) to ask if i can get away with their #1 stuff, but i'll probably get the ebay one you recommended. cheers bud

possibly a long shot but.... my JUKI DNU-1541 needs oil. i'm out of the stuff it came with (JUKI defrix #2) and the internet is not forthcoming with either replacement of this or a substitute. from what i can gather, #1 is for home/small/light machines, #2 is for industrial machines. does anyone have a recommended alternative? cc. @Black_Rainbow_Project 👋

My bum knows what it likes and I'm looking for one of the above saddles for another build. Doesn't have to be BNIB or in mint condition so if you have one lying about, let me know! Fanx

yeah, horrible to hear. i was HR's first ever intern and know both Alex and his ex (who i assume has made one of the statements). i never had an inkling of this, but weird as it sounds, because it is horrible, i'm glad it's coming out. ten years ago this likely wouldn't have been spoken about. i hope the people he's affected get some measure of closure from this and they empower others to feel supported to speak up... very slowly, the wheels of change in society move and it will push people to never, ever act this way in the beginning

i know Mildred's never fails, but i was wowed by their new bahn mi burger. it almost made up for them removing the mushroom and ale pie off the menu

I'm out too. Gutted because I'd absolutely love to see you lot, and while I'm not actively worried for myself or Sam and we could quarantine easily, think it's prudent as I'd be travelling a long way to even get to the ride. Boooooooo </3