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Hot and cold water pipes replaced. Downstairs central heating partially done. 2 new radiators connected. Only thought we'd broken the boiler once. Getting there

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Sorry! Genuinely the first issue I've heard anyone having with them.

Don't expect anything better from him. He's a troll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQhHQ7pkBf8

Bathroom floors and walls that will be tiled, we'll use moisture board but I assume we need to waterproof line it as well? Anyone got any useful links for this kind of stuff?

Which word are you struggling with? Genocide? Apartheid? Oppression?

To what extent is the religious fundamentalism demonstrated by Hamas a result of their persecution by the jews and to what extent is it a result of the jihadism? Genuinely curious how you see it.

I'll answer your question with one of my own. If Israel had never been created, if the people of Palestine had lived their lives outside of an apartheid system and a religious war brought to their door step, would Hamas exist? Would a Palestinian government be declaring a peaceful neighbour as it's enemy? What if Israel had been created, given some land away from the existing towns and cities and not expanded beyond that. Would religious zealots be calling for their removal? Maybe a few not I'd bet not on the scale we see now. If you believe Islam will inherently create a militant arm calling for jihad then I'm afraid that's islamophobia.

I think there's a lot of thinly veiled islamophobia going around. There seems to be quite a few people that view Palestinians are somehow deserving of being bombed in to the dirt because they did something horrible after half a century of living under apartheid.

It's possible to not excuse the response while understanding why it happened and maybe even making the leap of judgement that if you didn't oppress and terrorise 2 million people for 50 years, make it your government's clear objective to wipe them off the face of the earth, talk about them as animals etc etc. then maybe you wouldn't get the reaction.

And while we talk about it 20,000 civilians, half of which children have been murdered in cold blood. There's a literal ongoing genocide happening right now. Men getting rounded up, children shot in their schools, journalists getting tower blocks dropped on them and their whole family while we have people going "yeah but Hamas". Hamas wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Bibi let alone the aforementioned oppression. These people don't deserve this.

You could say "if you don't think the actions of Israel are a result of a valid fear of persecution following centuries of anti-Semitism but instead as some sort of innate colonialism then I'm afraid you're dancing with anti-Semitism

To an extent yeah but you're ignoring the whole Zionist cause here.

Religious fundamentalism doesn't grow in a vacuum. Al Qaeda, IS etc all grew hugely after being attacked/having an oppressed people. Ridiculous to write off 50 years of oppressions and apartheid being the cause of fanaticism because religion also exists.

So being historically persecuted excuses committing genocide and terrorism? Hamas apologist over here.

my exact point is that you are criticising Israel and don't see that as anti-semitic, but are accusing those who criticise Hamas as islamophobic

No, I'm saying those that don't believe Hammas exists as a reaction to Israel's oppression are islamophobic.

You could say "if you don't think the actions of Israel are a result of a valid fear of persecution following centuries of anti-Semitism but instead as some sort of innate colonialism then I'm afraid you're dancing with anti-Semitism"

You could say that but you'd be wrong. That premise relies on Judaism = Israel and that Israel cannot exist without Palestine ceasing to exist.

You're conflating Israel and Judaism. Same questions to you, why does Hamas exist idealogically and practically? Look in to those and you may find your answer. If you don't think Hamas exists as a response to decade of oppression but instead as some sort of innate Islamic radicalism then I'm afraid you're dancing with islamophobia

Yes, you directly equated @user75580 's post with accusations of nazism

literally no I didn't. Go away troll. You're not welcome.

Was that the point I was making? No, go sit down.

In current news, totally normal non-genocidal things
https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1735080378904314285
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/12/13/civilians-sheltering-inside-a-gaza-school-killed-execution

I won't add anything further, but please do reflect on whether 'fully removed' is the type of language or sentiment that you think can contribute to a just and lasting peace in the real world.

You may notice I was talking about Hamas' stated goal, not my own, not something I endorse. Understanding that was kinda the whole point I was making.

I think you're islamophic from your posts in this thread, always assuming the worst of the Palestinian people (who are majority Muslim but not entirely so, before you say it, the point still stands) and from even this "misunderstanding", as if an expression of understanding why Hamas exists and thinks the way they do is somehow in itself an anti-Israel statement. Someone should go tell anyone who wrote an analysis on how Hitler came to power that they're actually all Nazis themselves.

Ok then well let's ask some questions. Why does Hamas exist and how did it come about? Would it exist if there wasn't an oppressor to fight against? If you can't make those connections but want to stick with the "but Hamas" line then go stick to watching Piers Morgan.

Not with the current crowd that seems to hang around this thread like a bad smell just like they did with the BLM one.

Islamophobia isn't a good look, you're showing yourself.

Once again, understanding does not equal approving. Check your predjudice at the door.

Oppressed and terrorised people want their oppressors and terrorisers fully removed, big surprise. Expecting anything else is some real centrist dad bullshit.

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Pillocks on a paddock?