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Sweet as. Have never lusted after anything so much since I popped my cherry! How much blood / semen / body parts would I need to sell to get this without compromising my ability to then ride it.

Edited to add - look at that fucking tyre clearance - its like they just kept putting new tyres on until they wore away enough metal to slip through. I need to go and walk the dogs now before I give in the urge to buy it on my credit card and face divorce when the war office finds out. I think it would cause less grief if I brought our 18 year old work experience student home for the weekend.

second dibs (I know, optimistic)

He is a sound seller - see my post above re his wheels I bought.

OK thanks, I need a rear with 28.

First ride today - I was going to ride one of the others as its winter but the tyres were soft and when I moved it the headset felt gritty. The Sancineto was looking ready to go, the sun was out and the roads mostly dryish and salt free....

Lovely lovely ride. The rims are a bit heavy and I still haven't found a rear tyre to match the front. there is a ticking noise that sounds like a brake pad touching a high spot. I must have stopped to check it 10 times but I cannot find it. The rear mech has a very strong spring so I have to run with a fair bit of friction on the shifter. I may have to add a couple of gel pads under the bar tape behind the hoods as it was a bit uncomfortable. Riding on the drops was great. Could do with a bit more post height but need to find one that has not been sawn off!

Also need some nicer pedals for it.I have a set of FIR rims on Record hubs so might use those next time out which may not be for sometime given the weather.

What is the spoke count on the dura ace hubs please?

Went to get a pair or jockey wheels to rebuild my rear MTBK mech and came home with this NOS for just a bit more money...

Still swapping one mech for another is easier than a rebuild.

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Ive got a singulator thing I took of the GT when I put it back to 10s.

£10 including post in UK?

TM - Paid
Seven04 - sorry. Wasn't looking for one of these but it was too sexy to resist.

I'll take that please, ideal for my Cervelo!

PM'd

So the rich don't have to pay their fair share until bureaucracy and waste and payments to the undeserving are all eliminated?

I would argue that the flip side to this is that the poor don't have to try to find a (currently non-existent) job until such time as they have equality of opportunity with the rich.

In other words - there is no hope.

Or

In other words the rich and the poor are as bad as each other, apart from the fact that the rich are in a privileged position and much better placed than the poor to occupy the moral high ground, therefore deserve much greater criticism when they fail to.

You are conflating two concepts. I agree that the well off should have to contribute to both the maintenance of all at a very basic minimal threshold and also contribute to further to improve the skills and social functioning of those on the minimum benefit to the point where they can move off it.

The question I thought you asked and that I answered was what can be done to get those paying the contributions to pay them willingly rather than seeking to avoid / evade them until forced to pay them by enforcers who are then paid out of the contributions that are collected.

Perhaps by demonstrating that paying what is due would actually make some difference and improve society. After all a lot of them pay for electric cars and other green choices in large part because they perceive such choices to be responsible and worthwhile. On the other hand I would guess that they perceive there to be little value or return from contributions to bureaucracy that consumes most of what they pay before it reaches the coal face and that what does reach the coal face only serves to maintain the status quo.

Repped ^

Amusing and oddly perceptive.

what if you can't recover? what if there aren't any jobs for you to get? what if the jobs you can get are less money that the benefits you're claiming, so you wouldn't be able to feed your kids?
have you ever been actually poor? without a safety net?

I have worked in slums in the Philippines - that is proper poverty amongst people who have no safety net and who are born into structural poverty from which there is almost no hope of escape but they retain dignity, morals and concepts of self responsibility that would be utterly lost on the drug taking shoplifting moron that featured in Benefits Street.

3 years ago my small firm was almost wiped out in the recession. We scraped by on my wife's salary including topping up the business from it. I worked for nothing for over a year but every creditor was paid and so was every member of staff. No one was laid off or had any income cut. All on the basis that they all had mortgages like me and kids etc and a lot of them were in single income houses so please don't pose hypothetical "what ifs". A lot of the time I have been better off than most but I have also done lots of voluntary work and I have had many nights of being unable to sleep because I do not know where the next £ is coming from. I have had plenty of days of going for a walk with the dog at lunch time because I did not actually have the cash to go to the pub with staff.

So rather than question me about what I would do why not make an argument about why we should support a recidivist drug taking single bloke who proudly proclaims his profession as a £200 a day shoplifter?

Oh dear, I'm guessing you did not do well in your comprehension tests at school. I'd suggest you reread what I wrote and then mark your own assessment above except you may well disappear in a cloud of self abuse and inarticulate profanity when you realise you are still making the same school boy errors that sowed the seeds of your present self loathing when you were still in long shorts.

anyone seen any good TV progs?!?!

Not lately but there is always a charmless reactionary or two to be found on the net while we wait for some televised entertainment worth watching to come along.

(or watch the DVD of Broadchurch, I thought that was worthwhile).

you better fucking believe it, chuckles.

what you cunts fail to see is that you (and indeed all of us) are one job / paycheck / redundancy / bad habit away from joining those you so merrily and sanctimoniously piss on.

dwell on that.

Actually no. I may be the victim of some unplanned for financial catastrophe that may result in me living on benefits.

I will not settle for that being anything other than a safety net to provide a bare minimum until I can recover. I will not stop working towards recovery and I certainly would not set out to cheat steal or defraud. Even if circumstances became so extreme that it was that or truly face starvation I sure as hell would not do it gleefully and without conscience or guilt.

i can see why you're no longer employed as a social worker. Fuck me you're a nasty little turd aren't you? again - Fuck off.

Really, why was it then?
Kind offer but no thanks.
Yes I am but at least my mother appears to have weaned me at the appropriate stage.

Yeah, and the gays.

steady on Snotty, gay is just a different taste in bedroom antics, no different to a penchant for a beating with birch twigs or watching headgehogs while you shag or always doing it missionary in case god is watching.... it has no bearing whatsoever on morals, intelligence or worthwhile contribution to society.

So anyone is immoral if they do their best to minimise their tax bill, maximise the benefits that they receive and maximise their income within the boundaries of the law? Righto.

I would argue that many very rich people who use extreme but legal tax avoidance measures are immoral, but not ordinary people who try to minimise tax or maximise the benefits they get within the law are fine.

Regarding your second point... yes some people behave like they are scum... but I'd be considerably more interested in hearing a solution. Bashing people on benefits for their moral failings is both easy and pointless. Ensuring that their are fewer people in this position by helping deprived parents bring their kids up properly, extracting kids from hopeless family situations and into an environment where they can thrive (very hard, lots of cash needed), helping ensure greater equality of opportunity in terms of education / activities / trips for all and not just for the parents of the rich, more respect for relatively unskilled but vital jobs, more opportunities for work (I don't blame people for giving up when they have spent years never seeing any evidence of persistance paying off).

In short your response seems to be a heartless, pointless criticism of some of the most vulnerable in society. I find that heartless and pointless.

In a former life I spent years as a social worker (and at the time, before you make some cheap point, was highly regarded by my employers and clients) - some you can help but these days sadly there is a group at the bottom that are pretty much beyond help - there is an intergenerational culture which means they are simply beyond being engaged in any sort of civilized society. To them I find myself completely heartless these days. If they want to live according to their standards, norms and values I say fence them off, sterilise them and leave them to it. Anything else is pointless.

These days I spend a lot of my paid time tracking down directors who hide behind limited companies in order to evade creditors and the crown and taking their money, toys and holiday homes off them.

Yes. Even it was not your right of way there is probably still a degree of negligence by the lorry driver albeit damages will be reduced for contributory negligence had you not had the right of way.

Lovely - looks very close to the one I built up last year with Time forks. Now one of my favourite bikes for a fast club training ride. What are your plans for it?

PS if it is the right size for him there is at least one forumenger on here who will be putting his name down if you are ever thinking of selling.

I did not see the programme but you have stated two issues -

(1) Lack of morals. I suspect that they are doing just what the rich do - the best they can for themselves and their family under the current system which involves capitalism, free markets, taxes and benefits. Are you saying that everyone is immoral?

(2) Lack of intelligence. Are you sure that this is not lack of a great upbringing and / or lack of opportunity? If it is simply lack of intelligence what is the solution? IQ test aged 5 with death to all that fail to meet your high standards?

(1) perhaps so but then I would consider those people as amoral

(2) yes I am sure. Compare the chap who set off on the wrong track and went inside. Realised that he didn't like prison, accepted it was his choices that got him there, came out and set off on a different course that was difficult but legal and rewarding for him - even allowed him to make contributions to those who were even worse off. That is intelligence.

Other chap living on benefits but wants money for drugs so pro shoplifter just out of prison with a town centre ASBO. Goes out on the rob in broad daylight mate says don't go down there you'll get nicked, cops everywhere and a film crew but he carries on. WPC suggests he turnaround and leave, kicks off starts some bullshit about having an appointment in the city centre. Cops still compromise and say ok we will walk with you to it. Off they go he finally works out he has made a cock off himself so kicks off and gets nicked. Fucking moron.

In both cases the relative intelligence / lack off has nothing to do with upbringing and education. Even my dog understands his actions will bring rewards or consequences when the comply with / fuck up civilised group behaviour.

You're right that is a bit harsh - there was a guy who had done a stretch and worked out it wasn't where he wanted his life to go.He was going door to door selling things for 50p. A great example of someone who despite being poor still retained character, initiative, intelligence and morality. I am more than happy to see him get given a hand up.

Other than that all scum. Even the good guy, White Dee, thought there was nothing wrong with a bit of nicking if it meant that the nicker made a bit of money and others in the street got some cheap gear. Are you still going to applaud that next time someone duds you on a deal for a few bike bits where you paypal gift them the money and the stuff is shit or doesn't even arrive.

Perhaps instead of your snappy brief witticisms you would like to explain how that differs from the robbing on the program?