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changing the visibility of edits seems totally disproportionate to wanting prices to remain in Classifieds. I would prefer prices to stay in, but keeping edits private, other than to mods, is much more important.

Nicely summarised. Good decision Velocio. I wouldn't do anything more than add a note somewhere: "Consider leaving the asking price up after your items have sold to help future sellers price thing sensibly". I don't think this will stop people selling stuff cheap, giving bits and bobs away, running raffles, donating profits to the forum and all the other awesomeness that makes LFGSS such a cool forum.

No objection, but what purpose would it serve? The closing price of every deal is that at which two individuals on that day each thought they were getting the better of the other. The parties to subsequent sales of similar goods will be different, as will the prevailing market conditions. Have a look at BSNYC's PistaDex to see how fashion influences pricing on commodity goods, for example. Also, the price published in the thread is the last offered price, not necessarily the closing price after the parties have negotiated either via PM or in person.

In that case, what purpose does the "What's my XYZ worth?" thread serve? I'm not looking for a precise prediction of how much an item will actually sell for, just a rough idea of what a sensible opening price might be. If I want to sell something quickly I can ask for less, if I'm reluctant to let it go I can ask for more and accept that it might not sell so fast. Stuff shifts really quickly here, which is one of its great features, but sometimes it shifts so quickly that by the time you click on a thread all you can see is:

OP: X for sale, good condition £SOLD
2nd Post (blahdibloo): dibs, PMed
3rd Post (OP): Sold to blahdibloo

That's not much help in working out the value of anything.

Hmm.

Maybe that's what I should change.

To allow logged-in members to see the edit history of posts.

Any objections that I really should be considering before just doing this?

Yes. Someone posted my real name in a thread after I'd contacted him by email (signed off with my real name). I asked him to edit the post since I prefer to remain anonymous on public websites. He was happy to do this, but being able to view pre-edit posts would effectively reverse this.

You are over complicating it, I don't think Ffm is asking for the actually price to be put in, just the asking price left.

This. Or "£10>£5>£3SOLD" if you want. I guess part of my problem is that "mates rates" are difficult to judge.

Nope, thats ebay.
This place is strictly mates rates or go elsewhere.
(or it used to be)

in my case maybe 50% of things go for less than the asking price. A seller of the same item will see £50 sold when in fact it was £35 and think "Why should i take less than £50 for mine if his sold for that" and even use it as reference to argue the case for £50.

not arguing for or against just thinking aloud

Continuing the thinking aloud, someone can argue for a specific value all they want, but they can't make people buy.

This is a bit controversial and I don't want to change LFGSS as it is soooooo much nicer than selling on ebay. Retrobike and bikeradar aren't too bad, but prices are higher overall. There are loads of good reasons for selling here: the feelgood factor of being part of a community; knowing that you'll be helping someone get their perfect bike or just keep it on the road; shifting stuff quickly; not being compelled to offer postage or accept paypal; and meeting some cool people. But none of these compel people to sell at mates rates. If people overprice things they just won't sell.

Edit: Hilly Ben, I am sorry about those wheels. They were massively undervalued and it seemed to be for no reason other than that the seller had no idea how much they were worth. I don't think we need to reply on sellers' mistakes to make LFGSS a good place to buy stuff. As I said above, loads of stuff is sold here at bargain prices for perfectly good reasons.

As far as I can see, the only practical way for that to happen would be for it to be customary (i.e. people are coerced into it). There isn't a software solution is there?

Yes indeed, I wasn't suggesting a software solution, only that it should become customary. I don't think you need to coerce people into it, because I don't think people do it out of principle. I think you just need to point out that it could be useful.

No go ahead, thanks for the offer but only after a steely

You know that 4130 is Cro-Mo steel right?

I don't know if this is the place for this kind of request, but anyway.

Can it be made standard practice to leave the asking price in "for sale" ads after the item has sold? The fact that everyone replaces this with "SOLD" makes it impossible to judge the value of something that you have to sell.

I don't know if this is appropriate for LFGSS as it isn't a forum in which everyone tries to get every last penny for their spare components/bikes/kit etc. It's really nice to be part of a community where stuff is passed on at low prices just so that people can keep their bikes running. But it is infuriating not to have any idea of the going rate for stuff, partly because you can then over-value items which never sell as a result.

There is an awful lot of stuff cross posted on bikeradar and retrobike (I don't check gumtree so much).

Would it be possible to put the rule about not cross-posting "for sale" ad above the box where you enter your text to create a new ad or, better still, put it actually in the box so that you have to delete it to enter your own text? It could at least save a lot of hassle for people who simply don't know that rule.

Ooh you lucky bastard!
Good price I reckon, apparently the 531 pro tubeset has 753 stays. I took a punt, but lightweight tubing is probably not what I need for my riding.

Let us know how it turns out.

£50 reserve not met with an hour and a half to go.

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Racing-bike-frame-23-1-2-inch-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/0l0AAOxyD5pRI9aH/$%28KGrHqN,!oMFEKu5FT6lBRI9,HLlHw~~60_58.JPGhttp://rover.ebay.com/roverimp/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?ff3=2&pub=5574889051&toolid=10001&campid=5336525415&item=281067500280&mpt=2437189

I think that's Reynolds 531Professional tubing from the decal. Nice!

Item number 251234527426 or search for "daves yares"

That's an amazingly bad listing. Waaaaaant!

(LX v-brakes and XT crank on the MTB)

I've got a few Tektro front ones that you might be able to fit by cutting the bolt down. Can do a London pickup. £4?

I went a bit mad in the CRC sale and bought too many Tektro calipers that I now don't need. They're all front (and all silver), but you could probably just cut the bolt down on one to fit the rear. I can include pads. £8 for a pair?

Edit: actually I do have one proper F/R pair PM me for details.

Very. I brushed my phone.

Before reading the text obvs.

+1 (Daaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!)

I can't say for sure, but I think this is Reynolds of some description. Quite nice looking too. See here for details on the brand, possibly rebranded Mercian.

I'd take a punt if my legs weren't quite so freakishly long.

Big peugeot up on fleabay. Anyone on here?

Does anyone know where we can see the voting breakdown? Or was it really as simple as: everyone with a brain = for, primordial tory dipshits = against?

Blah blah...do you think any one would buy it?...

Yes, stick it here for a better idea. Looks like a nice frame with some good bits. I don't know much about Hardisty Cycles except that they used to sponsor Jason McRoy. A seat tube measurement would be useful.

Dibs spoon

Just to push he financial incentive one more time. I bet that experienced, trained cyclists are much less likely to be involved in collisions with other cyclists when they themselves are driving. Shouldn't this result in lower motoring insurance premiums, similar to the advanced motoring test?

This is exactly what I dislike about the Pedros tool - the stepped spanner can only apply force on 2 of the six corners on a nut, so it damages nuts far more easily than a normal six-sided spanner.

Agreed, I think this wins out generally because it uses a standard non-proprietary drive (the hex-bit holder) and gives you a good long lever to turn it with. I have a mini socket set which uses this kind of drive so it would be no problem to leave out the bits I don't need (like the torx bit) and add ones that I do.

The absence of a lockring spanner is a potential problem, but I reckon you could design an additional component that uses a 15mm nut interface to drive it. So, essentially, the end of a lockring spanner with a 15mm hexagon on one face so you can turn it with the main tool. If the hexagon was set in a recess that fitted around the rounded end of the tool or you could additionally secure it through the hole where the bit holder fit,s that would be properly clever.

However, designing and manufacturing this extra piece would probably be much easier if the tool was flat. Mark, why is it cranked?

Not your IP since you wrote about it on a forum, either!

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Aches & Pains -- good delivery and super cheap!
-adman--did more web research on current price of bits between dibbing and picking them up and dropped price completely unprompted. + 2 very smooth transaction

• Adroit- Great seller, honest prices. +2
  
• Adscan- bought a PSP of the man, better than well chuffed. package arrived via matter transfer.
  
• Aidy40 - bought a frame off him, nice frame, nice guy, nice delivery, well packaged. Very happy.
  
• ALDI
  
• amey
  
• andyfallsoff +2
  
• Andypancake +5 Absolute gent... and some nice goodies. Ta fella.
  
• Andy.W +2 (top trader - collected and posted a bike for me a long time ago)
  
• AngelD + 9: sold me some SRAM Omniums for a good price, and dealt with the shipping etc very well. They came polished to a shine and packed really safely in a proper chainset box. Nice one!
  
• apolloxl +21 met within 20 minutes of dibbing item, great guy!/ excellent sale /
  
• Arantrek - lovely wheels, run v nicely, v pleased & nice bloke
  
• Archie's Grobags +4
  
• Aroogah +2
  
• Arup +2
  
• Ascari - nice helpful guy, came to the station to meet me
  
• b4b - Good communication, deal was pretty good. Thanks!
  
• babydinotrackboy
  
• BareNecessaties - Held me a stem for a few weeks untill I got paid, and gave me at a very reasonable price. Very helpful and sorted seller!
  
• belgiangoth - sorted me out a nice cheap replacement wheel in double-quick time for polo
  
• Benjybars +5
  
• benottomadmax - Got a saddle and a couple of sprokets off Oscar - no messing around, good lad!
  
• Berniebike +1 great communication, frame packed brilliantly, next day delivery ace
  
• Bespokebicycle - exactly as the label on the tin. Many thanks.
  
• bicicletta6655, frame sent outside ebay, even made an effort to include a seat post!
  
• Bigben
  
• Bikejunk
  
• B'jammin - super helpful, thanks for the rims! +2
  
• Björn - They say good service only shows when something goes wrong; in this case inept couriers ;)
  
• Black Rainbow Project. +1 Brought from Scott twice now....A Top Bloke....Cheers.
  
• Bluerip00 easy transaction
  
• Bobbycutters
  
• Booba - Thanks, easy pickup, great communication.
  
• Brig7 - Bike arrived in perfect condition and well packed in about 3 days from Holland + 1 - pleasure dealing with
  
• broken_777 +7 Excellent speedy wheel builds at a great price and mega strong; always good work
  
• Buddha Fingaz +1
  -c4shr +1 amazing response time and description of product, met up the very next day with the option of a couple times, good directions, honest description of product, fair price, good advice, top guy, 10/10 all round!!!
  
• Cake - Item as described and pleasure to deal with!
  
• Carl
  
• CasaSteve - Stuff came in a Wiggle box and it was so well packed I actually thought I'd forgotten - about a wiggle order! Plus a good guy.
  
• catfood - bargain wheels and even brought them to Souths for me +1
  
• Chalfie - fuck yeah
  
• Chegas - Worked out a good deal, answered all my questions, stayed in touch etc etc.
  
• Cheesecake_intl - great packaging of frame and very easy to deal with +1
  
• Chompy - Nice wheels as promised, friendly Pm's, and delivery was swift. Cheers ears. +3
  
• ChrisMGS +1
  
• chokalateboywonder
  
• cipolinni +2 Well packaged, missing bit followed shortly afterwards
  
• Citron +1 Very friendly trader!
  
• Colm +4 Shiny Dura Ace by post at good prices, prompt delivery
  
• Cohen - great international transaction
  
• cornelius blackfoot - thanks for the wheels
  
• colnago_costa +27
  
• Crows +1
  
• D- Generate - The guy is an absolute don. Thanks for the light, and best of luck with the babe!
  
• Dalester
  
• 'Dan
  
• Danb - kept me up to date, well packaged and pretty speedy all things considered. +1
  
• darstachy (spent £300+ in one go, did exactly as he said he would)+1
  
• Darwin - fast and cheap
  
• Daz A - Fast postage, pleasant to deal with and offered to pay for return postage if I wasn't happy
  
• Dazzling - Pleasure to deal with, good comms ;-)
  
• Deegee - Bought some campag crank bolts - very fast delivery, top notch bloke
  
• DFP (bought dropbars, quick delivery, considerately packed, good contact)
  
• Dirty Harry +2 (and his brother)
  
• dmczone +4 (very professional and good service)
  
• Dogsballs wheel builds -alarmingly quick but good wheel builds) +2
  
• Doktor P. Although I suspect he's not really a doctor ;-)
  
• Domwarman - Nice easy transaction and good communication.
  
• Doosh - Quick, lots of communication.
  
• Dootroy - Bought some forks- great wrapping with kodak film paper! nice
  
• Downlo - Quicker than Wiggle.
  
• dr fast
  
• Dr Chan
  
• drunk - great contact, fast shipment
  
• Dumps, v. helpful seller.
  
• East End Images +6 very cheap and very quick, a lovely chap
  
• EdScoble - delivered a wheel to my work when I was in need. helpful and friendly, thanks.
  
• Eightball– great comms and quick post. Excellent deal on bag
  
• Erikfox, Erik supplied me with a lovely Gazelle frame with thanks +3
  
• eyebrows - Cannot BELIEVE he's not on this list yet! - agreed, the man is a legend - ta henry - super, cannot recommend enough, super cool! +5
  
• F34Rthefixed
  
• Fahrgestell - top bloke. joker! and good bit of banter when doing our deal.
  
• Faso
  
• fasteddy – recently purchased a fairly expensive wheelset from me and certainly deserves a bit of recognition for it!
  -firyjack
  
• Fisk - Lovely frame, great price, good communication and REALLY safely packaged.
  
• Fixado
  
• Flowmont
  
• Forms
  
• Fox +5
  
• Fruit (Just one of the most helpful people) +1
  
• furious tiles - Well packaged, good communication thoughout and Free Towels!!
  
• Germaneddie - bought lots of stuff from him at jumbles and other places. very helpful and good prices +2
  
• Goldbuddha +1 for making things simple and sorting out extra new bolts.
  
• Hammo +1 Posted despite saying pick up only and then didn't charge any extra for it. Great guy....This is also for the Condor Pista frame
  
• harlsden - good chap and experienced tourer with lots of stories - straight and honest
  
• Harry Major +1
  
• harv4130 - not only did he post me a cog for free/gratis/nada, he then sorted me a nice stem out for super cheap.
  
• Heythropbikepolosoc - all good
  
• Hilarystone (of course-he's like the lfgss Tesco, but better) +17
  
• Hilly Ben, good gear, good prices, speedy dispatch
  
• heavisides really nice guy, met me at euston, great bike and even better deal.
  
• Hobo - Great seller, kindly posted and in super quick time too!
  
• horatio +1
  
• Howard - Easy comms and good postage times!
  
• iamdavid - very quick delivery/postage, perfect as described
  
• i am john - great packing
  
• IAmNotARobot - Made a big diversion to meet me, then gave me stuff for free when I had no change.
  
• IDOnothing
  
• igloo69
  
• jambon - +4, packaging was first rate
  
• Jammy - Top guy, was willing to hold seatpost while funds arrived! And it's the busniz!
  
• JB
  
• Janet Jackson
  
• JD - bought a frame to be sent to australia, ultra smooth transaction, good communication, all round stand up guy. Frame arrived packed excellent, cant wait to deal again.
  
• JC Chapi - Bought a frame. Very well packed. Great communication.
  
• Jed - brought the item to me to make my life easier. Lovely bloke.
  
• Jermaine Jackson
  
• Jessberry, nextday delivery
  
• Jimalex - +3 Honest and trustworthy fella, posted before i paid!
  
• jimjamosullivan- incredible effort. +2 never fails to respond to pm's, even if you are incredibly naggy! great seller
  
• JIMMEH (very quickly delivered.) +2
  
• jinjrich - friendly, informative PMs, posted a lock to me nice and quickly
  
• Joe1983 +3
  
• joelipol Thanks for the lovely red retro jersey....a star!
  
• jonny +1
  
• jontizzle91 - good price on Garmin speed sensor (new in box!) and fast post. Cheers
  
• Kay nice group set ad fast delivery from Belgium!
  
• kid_scruff quick delivery + quality sale
  
• Kingcutter +50[and more besides]
  jenbrad123 fab wheels great service thanks.
  
• King Saxlingham
  
• KLM - genuinely nice guy, I rate him
  
• knowthejo +1
  
• kucharz66 fast delivery and brilliant price!
  
• lae- +1 Good seller, polite, and offered me a drink! Honest too , wheels are just what i needed, thanks
  
• leotandph12 - Thank you for the snipe sir. Good man.
  
• leozon - Great international transaction. thanks. +1
  
• Lew_redd - fast delivery, well packaged and even got insurance on the posting of the frame
  
• loafheads - everything went nice and smooth. thanks for the deal!
  
• longman1971- fast, simple and brilliant deal. Well pleased.
  
• Maelstrom
  
• Mantovelo - Sent wheels nicely packaged and great to deal with.
  
• Markairsy1 - Not just good trader but good guy, went to the trouble of bringing some bars over from Spain with him to save me some postage - A+++ would reccommend
  
• Markyboy: nice and quick handling!
  
• Marxist_fixie - + 1 Pleasure to deal with, Got what i wanted the next morning!
  
• mashergirl +2 Prompt, well packaged and all done through bank transfer and trust.
  
• MatP - Received a few parts in lovely condition, quite literally as new. safely packed and swiftly delivered. spot on!
  
• maxcrowe (traded seatpost + bought some sweet S75's)
  
• mdcc_tester +3
  
• Mechamorgan - Great comms and pleasure to deal with!
  
• Mechanical_Vandal - good comms and quick postage. Items exactly as described.
  
• Meds
  
• Meetthebadger - Replies almost instantly, payment prompt! A+
  
• Michael Jackson
  
• miro_0 - Reliable, great price and super quick delivey. 531.
  
• Mr Bump - nice guy!
  
• Mr Cow - +1 Needed rear wheel today, picked up today, great comms, what a gent.
  
• MrLemon - really helpful and well priced, worked around my schedule to meet
  
• Mr Lunch - Be confident that whatever you buy off him it'll be packaged so damn well it could likely survive a nuclear apocalypse - or worse - the cack-handedness of a courier.
  
• Munky + 1 - Had the bars in my hand half an hour after dibsing. Champ.
  
• nefarious
  
• Nickyboy
  
• Nigel182 - Bought from and Sold to - smooth transaction both times.
  
• No1 - Bought a few bits of him on several occasions. Pleasure to deal with. Great guy! Thx;)
  
• ntc
  
• number6 - +6 quickest postage in the land! and good guy to boot.
  
• Nuknow +5
  
• NurseHolliday - went well out of his way to deliver me a part, top chap
  
• Nuts - very helpful in posting a cheap frame that I wasn't able to collect
  
• Oswald - a gent a & beyond generous. Thankyou.
  
• Orko42 +2 (Quality trader, did everything to make me as happy as possible, top man!)
  
• pajamas - Overdue Anyway, great build, great bike, fair price/top bloke/great wheels. +3
  
• Paramounted +2 (Dealt with 3 times, top bloke!)
  
• papercrate
  
• PeterV +14 (extremely helpful, extremely friendly and sends a well-packed bike fast)
  
• Philosovril
  
• PhilS - Items well packaged and good communication. Decent chap!
  
• Philxthomas +1
  
• Pifko +2
  
• Pistanator +1
  
• Pistoffski +16 (super polite & straight up, delivered just as promised) A true Gent.
  
• Platini
  
• PortsmouthFixedGear - Had to go to portsmouth to trade frames but was worth it - chucked in some very nice parts too
  
• pricey
  
• Prince
  
• ProMarker
  
• rhb
  
• Rawrrr - only a small sale but very helpful and friendly
  
• rbh0riz0n - Quick communication, posted asap, & pedals smoother than expected. Bam.
  
• Readview - Sold me a nice frame. Posted next day. Friendly too. Thanks.
  
• Re-cycled +1
  
• Red-biff. Nice guy, easy to deal with, great frame!
  
• Rega
  
• Reginald (bought bars months ago - v helpful)
  
• RetroDiCorsa +15 He is the Man!
  
• Roberto (example to follow) +2
  
• rocksteady
  
• richoking - great communication, friendly to deal with and a great price.
  
• RIH (bought bike very well packed from Holland) +14. MF says you a good man
  
• Rik +5
  
• Robertoegg
  
• Rodolfo
  
• roowilliams - picked up some forks - no fuss
  
• Roy_Airs - absolutely chuffed with the saddle, friendly and honest chap. Thanks! +1
  
• RPM
  
• Sacredhart - Lovely bike, good price, good trader. Would recommend
  
• samdaniel +1 winner of best packaged frame award - and best packaged wheels award
  
• samson + 1, great swap made bloody easy, much appreciated.
  
• sash +4 Very nice, sat and had a cuppa and a free camera to boot!
  
• Sharkstar - went out of his way
  
• Schnitter - 2 good transactions
  
• Scrafton - Good lad, bought a groupset (inc wheels) good price, good natured when there were a couple of payment glitches, excellent packaging.
  
• Sheathy
  
• shinkuu kiss +1
  
• Shuai - Good transaction, fast shipping, great packaging.
  
• Simplex NL +18 (extremely nice and an excellent bike packer, great bike, perfect condition, great price. excellent communication and good delivery)
  
• Singspeed - punctual. friendly, and good guy. +3
  
• Sirf - couple of things weren't originally perfect and he fixed it up! great guy.
  
• skelator - +1 good price, well packaged and just as described. sorted thanks!
  
• Skully
  
• Smallbrownbike (Matt) - Fast shipping, nice guy to deal with. Cheers.
  
• snowyagain
  
• socialamnesia +7 (very Excellent - total dude- more than helpful. cannot fault.)
  
• Solarider
  
• spaghettihoops +2
  
• Sparky - Cheers for the cateye!
  
• Spinto - bought some well used Ksyriums at a good price, friendly chap and didn't mind my getting caught in traffic and turning up late...
  
• spin2win
  
• Spotter - +3. I generally like him =))
  
• Stedlocks - nice bike, super condition, great price, lovely guy. Safe.+1 gave up his violet hip pouch for me!
  
• Steelarts +1 This guy sure knows how to pack a bike.
  
• Sumo - +2 Bought forks and headset, lovely job, simple as.
  
• supersonik-zlad - thanks for Les
  
• sushigeezer - bought half link chain and hurley laptop bag today - almost brand new for £20, thanks dude : )
  -swedeee Fast, simple transaction!
  
• teenslain +2 top sowf london geezer
  
• Tee Tee +1
  
• Tel +22 - friendly, fast and fantastic packaging.
  
• Temper_Temper
  
• Tenderloin - thanks!
  
• The Bonk +4
  
• The_BMX-KId
  
• TheBrick(Tommy)
  
• The Caped Crusader - Quick delivery, 2 days from Lisboa! well packaged, kosher.
  
• TheCrane +2
  
• The devils falcon - +4 Really nice guy and he goes the extra mile with requests
  
• Tilover +3 prompt delivery, and reserved an item for me for a very long time, cheers!
  
• Tito Jackson +1
  
• TM/Malaysian +3 - send me a saddle as good as new, before even having paid, at very reasonable price. cheers / excellent communication, very helpful, well packed frame
  
• ToeByeErs
  
• tolokobcn, easy transaction and fast shipping!
  
• Tombardo- good comms, bike as described, great price
  
• tomd - reliable, very quick postage, items always as promised
  
• tommmmmmm +2
  
• tomsvoboda - bought a saddle, excellent condition and top bloke
  
• Tonydiamond
  
• tsou +1
  
• Twatith
  
• twiltshire
  
• Unit lost +1 - Nice chap in Lithuania, helpful and prompt.
  
• umop3pisdn +1 - Quick shipping, good communication! Thanks
  
• Upstart - top bloke, I know I'm not the only one.
  
• Varno +9 (Five brilliant transactions, good seller)
  
• velocipede65
  
• Vince +1
  
• VintageBikeCave - found some obscure parts for me then sorted me out with new bits when I found some of the old stuff was worn. Graham & Betty, legends.
  
• Virgil +3 Great price and well packaged - cheers!
  
• wblenkin - +2 > 2 deals, one sale, one buy, both good
  weaselyone - pleasure to do business with
  
• Weslito - stand up guy, really nice & easy to deal with
  
• Wharry - Cheers for the setup, well packaged and in pretty much mint condition!
  
• whatok was very easy to contact and meet up with, and friendly once I got there. And gave me what - I wanted for free.
  
• Wicksie
  -Willem
  
• WjPrince
  
• Xander - Excellent guy.
  
• XMAN
  
• Yap
  
• yeahnerdz +5 - Good Comms, and a speedy delivery too... Top Bloke. And give out free nuts!
  
• YesNoGame
  
• Yetidamo - good deal! +1 a pleasure to do business with.
  
• yogicabbage
  
• Yorkiefix: great deal, came real quick
  
• zieleman +3
  
• zygowski
  
• 1000archangels +1
  
• 1894mk2
  
• 313 - Nice wheels. Easy transaction. Thanks, start of the new build.
  
• 36x18 - brilliant service, really quick wheel build turn around :) +2
  
• 606 - Bought a Langster off him, rides sweetly, he even threw in a 3rd tyre, mtb grips and straight handlebars and some road bike shifters
  
  

Added jinjrich for a nice, hassle-free transaction

Very smart. You should make this.

Too late, just emailed them to suggest it. Not my IP any more.

(Bugger)

bikesnobnyc on the nutter

I like the versatility, but I love the fact that you can very easily lose everything
I quite like it though, it looks like a good ergonomic shape for getting some torque onto the bits. I reckon it could be improved by fitting a second smaller tyre lever into the big slot in the middle.

Edit: Although I'm just a bit concerned about the strength of the thin wall around the hole where the bits slot in.

Edit#2: They could also include a couple of inserts that fit into the 15mm ring spanner and reduce it down to 10mm and 8mm for adjusting the nuts on some components e.g., sks mudguards, the cable clamp bolts on some cantis.

There are plenty of cases in which you would say a dead plant is still alive. Cut flowers are still alive. Seeds and spores are alive. They aren't living in the way that an animal is before it is dead, though.

If you hooked a bit of you (your arm say) up to the right system there's no reason why it couldn't stay alive after the rest of you had happily decomposed. I don't see what makes animals special in this respect.

Ask Descartes, or Derrida, or Deleuze.. etc. It's a big ol' question. I'm just trying to assert that the idea of an animal being anything other than material once dead isn't a rare or unconsidered one.

Fair enough, I just think that it's problematic to assert that it's anything more than material when it's "alive" in the first place.