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Scenario - Someone is terrified because an HGV is passing them when it is not safe to do.

Is it victim blaming to imply that it is their fault for not riding in primary? Yes is my answer. What is yours?

I would argue that it is entirely reasonable to suggest that it would be better and safer to ride in primary, but if you are going to do that in the context of a video where someone had their life endangered by dangerous driving you should make it clear that there is no excuse for the appalling driving on show and that the cyclist was 0% at fault for the incident - with suggestions of how the cyclist could reduce the chance of it happening again only being made in the context of the speaker making it 110% clear that they are not victim blaming. Otherwise it is victim blaming.

But the cuntishness (or just plain ignorance) of the driver is just taken as read. It would just get incredibly tedious to always mention it in every bit of cycling safety advice.

• The party line seems to be - "cyclists can do what the fuck they want on the road and are never to blame for anything that happens to them, unless they fail to ride primary or ride SS without two brakes in which case they can be blamed with impunity for whatever harm befalls them".
  
  

These are completely different things. One is about interacting with other road-users, the other is about making sure your bike is roadworthy with as much redundancy as possible for braking built in.

So victim blaming is fine if there is probably evidence out there to suggest that the victim was doing or not doing something that could have reduced their chances of harm coming to them.

No, victim blaming is never right. If you leave your house unlocked you have enabled a situation in which you are more likely to get burgled. But if you were burgled, the fault (moral, legal, whatever) would be entirely on the part of the burglar. It would not be your fault, you would not be asking for it or anything similar and it would be entirely wrong to blame you because you should be able to leave your house unlocked because doing so does not inherently lead to burglary.

By that logic this is not victim blaming -

 *"I'm very alarmed about cyclists wearing headphones," Mr Johnson told BBC London 94.9.*

• "I would not be against a prohibition or ban on cyclists wearing headphones.*
  
  

"Call me illiberal, but it makes me absolutely terrified to see them bowling along unable to hear the traffic."

Nowhere does he say that anyone is to blame for coming to harm for wearing headphones, he just says that in his opinion it is safer not to wear them.

Yeah, but he's got no evidence even of any correlation between the two (wearing headphones and getting injured), whereas riding in primary probably is correlated with reduced close-passes. That doesn't mean that if you ride in secondary the close pass is your fault (i.e., you haven't done anything wrong).

^^^^^ that basket is better than dura ace imo

It's high-tech aero-wicker.

Given all the debate over red light jumping I am looking for experiences from those who don't jump lights.

I want to hear your experiences - better or worse / pros or cons - when not jumping? Do you feel safer/less stressed/etc?

This is not a thread to discuss the merits of either. It is to describe the cycle journey when obeying this part of the highway code.

It sounds like you don't have first-hand experience of not RLJing. It would be very easy to get some.

Chaintugs please if you can pop them in an envelope. PMing.

(slightly crappy) photo bump!

or you could get off and push your bike over the road, thereby not breaking the law and not looking like an RLJing twat.

Let's not forget the twattish behaviour of the HGV driver pulling up right next to a cyclist at a junction. Possibly better for the cyclist to take the lane so they can't get boxed in like that.

That's bollocks, unless you're a foot tall. Every time I enter an asl in front of a lorry I look back and try to make eye contact with the driver. Wouldn't stop next to the cab though.

I think stonehedge's point is that quite often you don't know where you will be able to stop. If the ASL is full of bikes or motorbikes or if the HGV has (legally or illegally) stopped in it, then you are in trouble and may end up having to creep forward, dismount or RLJ to remain safe. Also, presumably you only enter the ASL if you know there's going to be time to turn and make contact with the HGV driver.

must get a Greggs today

I have 5 in my desk drawer! Om nom nom!

No? I wouldn't if it was about to turn left or mid turn as the back swings out, but I'd filter up the right of a lorry at lights, between it and the lane of oncoming traffic.

How would you know that his right rear indicator insn't broken?

I'd only filter either side of a lorry if it was sat waaaaaaay back in a queue of traffic at a light that I knew wasn't going to be moving any time soon.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/suzie-fabulous/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

Whats being sold here????

Thanks for letting me click that in the office!

I have to apologise to my local, independent off licences. Asda have 4 for £5 on again. Some nice things in there too, had a shephard neame double stout last night which was really good.

Also guilty, I just used that deal to stock up on some Adnams and Shepherd Neame. I tried their (proper) IPA which is pretty good. That was a pleasant surprise as I find a lot of Shepherd Neame stuff quite uninspiring.

It's been done many times before. :) As sorethroat says:

Can we start arguing about who came up with the idea of metapopcorn first? Then we could have metametapopcorn.

Wow, good popcorn here:

http://www.lfgss.com/post3963503.html

Metapopcorn! My mind is blown!

Edit: or recursive popcorn possibly?

Far from it, your opinions are probably shared by millions of other people in this country. The denizens of LFGSS, however, are a little less bloodthirsty.

He's allowed to be bloodthirsty. He's not allowed to whine when people call him out for it.

This the place to express outrage at bestial, horrible acts by rejoicing in bestial, horrible acts?

Possibly the neatest refutation of the death penalty that I've read in a while.

As if that somehow makes it worse?
You can fuck off it's a free forum. I wasn't aware yet again that one had to keep their views in line with others before being branded with that old hackneyed cliche a 'Daily Mail reader'

So you're all for free speech as long as it's only you that exercises it?

Just tried my first Greggs mince pie on recommendation of the forum - well impressed and can't see the other 5 staying in the bag for long.

Me too! Very nice indeed, I think they put cinnamon in their pastry.

Use another front brake on the rear, then you can have a matched pair.

I'd wouldn't drill that: I'd be concerned that the bolt would rip through the weakened upper/lower part of the bridge when you braked.

#brakearedeath

^ this +1, buy 2 front brakes.

There is something worrying in society when people like this get lots of airtime. It is reasonable to listen to people's personal experiences, but when it comes to making the law it has to be based on evidence, and listening to people who are emotional as a result of having personal experience are the absolutely last people who should be setting or influencing the law.

In fact I would go further. It is disgraceful that society gives such airtime to such people as it completely undermines the job of society to teach our kids (and adults for that matter) to critically appraise sources and rely on the unbiased, unemotional ones. A lot of our problems come from people's inability to do this.

Nicely dealt with by Mitchell and Webb

Mitchell and Webb Train Safety - YouTube

Big H might be interested in this?

^ posted a link on his CP thread

#greatminds

Indeed they do! That's why I PMed him before I posted this to give him first refusal. He declined as he already has one, but said he may come back for it if it hasn't sold after a while.

NOS Zeus Chainring, 52-tooth, 3/32", 119mm BCD (Zeus' unique size). Never fitted.

**Now on eBay
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Offtopic but.... Lidl Stollen. Fuck me!

Ohhhhhhhh yes..... the mini stollen are very nice!