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Campag Super Record EPS- £2,686.29.
Dura Ace Di2 £1,999.99

That's enough of a saving to buy a complete Ultegra 6800 group for your winter bike, plus a pair of wheels.

Well.. maybe there are few people who even don't have the problem of a winter bike! (does it keep you more warm while riding??? Just kidding)

Dura Ace equivalent would be Super Record EPS, and that's into serious money territory.

Well, because I am not as rich as who can afford an electronic groupset (or two)... or I don't want to spend a lot of money on the bike at the moment, or whatever... my first question was if it makes sense to spend few extra pounds to go from 10 speeds (centaur) to 11 (athena).

I've got Dura Ace Di2 on one bike, Ultegra Di2 on another, I still can't afford Campag.

I don't get it... Is Athena 11 more expensive then a Dura Ace Di2?

Not being a dentist, or millionaire mobile operating system/application botherer I've never been able to afford anything more modern than 10 speed Campag, so have no frame of reference other than the cycling press.

Wherein, you have to admit, the level of technical development significantly favours the fishing equipment makers over the "LOOK AT THE SHINY" boys from Italy.

Reading the cycling press makes difficult to choose. It depends also by the journalist who tested the groupset, and by how much the three big companies are ready to pay for a good review. I personally prefer opinions based on forum users.

"Not being a dentist" didn't you have an Ultegra Di2 before? Is it not more expensive then a 10 speed Campag?

So apart from comments from a moron, it comes down to front shifting to make Shimano miles ahead. Right. Glad we cleared that up.

FWIW, I'm agnostic in the great groupset schisms. I have bikes with Campag, Shimano and SRAM.

Right, and that is why I do not want Shimano for the next one. I was just wondering if Athena is much better then Centaur (and I am looking at Force 22 too in this moment).

To me Shimano has the same style of a vacuum cleaner...

is it possible to change more then one gear with SRAM? (I was noticing that Athena and Forse 22 are similar in price)

never tried sram. Just not sure about the double tap but I will take in consideration. I am not going back to Shimano. It is like (to me) buying a really good sport Japanese car: the style is always going to be awful! And we all care about the style

My last road bike was also my first real road bike (BMC), and I did not like the Ultegra 100% (feeling on the hood, brake lever shared with the gear shifting... and yes, the style)

Looking for the groupset of my new bike (Condor Acciaio). Coming from Ultegra 6700 I would like to try Campagnolo (I like the hood shape, even if I tried it for few minutes). I can stretch my budget and I was thinking if to go for Centaur or Athena (both in the carbon option). Any suggestions?

I am using Challenge Elite open tubular. I did nearly 1000 km in London with no one problem (Bontrager Hardcase Racelights three flats in the first 100 km, horrible tyres in my experience).... The only bad thing is that they are already starting to "ask" to be replaced at the back. Let's say that they lasted more then the Vittoria open Pave', but still not more then 2/3 months. Tried Michelin Pro4 service course too, and I did like them, even if the sidewalls seems to be dedicated to me.

I like the feeling of Vittoria as well as Challenge, but I would also like something that last for some more kilometers.
I would like to try Grand Bois (Cerf Blue Label 26 mm). Any feedback?

[I usually do 20 km commuting a day, 4-50 km club runs on weekly days, 80-140 km in the week end (well... in my "perfect" world)]

sold.

The website only says finished in Italy. I was told the frames themselves are all made in Taiwan.

Speaking withe the guys at condor (I am waiting an Acciaio frame) they told me that steel frames are mame in Italy. "Our frames are built using Dedacciai tubesets in our Italian factory" (here)

I need to change the rear hub of my old MTB (26 wheels, Shimano LX Deore M-570 HUB). I am thinking to convert it to single speed so I am looking for (as cheap as you can):

• Similar rear hub
  
• Conversion kit
  
• If any... a complete wheel in good condition
  
  

Thanks

£1050

£1100 ono

sorry, still trying to sell the whole bike

Well yes I was advised to cease interest in the mechanical version.

By a shop?

Dammit told me this frame was made for electronic shifting and never worked mechanical.

Maybe he is right, but they sell the complete bike in the mechanical version... I have no idea!

Are non electric Gran Fondo 01 really bad at shifting?

Can the bad shifting related to the frame?

Drop £1100

For the Condor Acciaio (matt black) Campagnolo Centaur Carbon or Athena Black Alloy? EDIT: price and weight are similar (based on the web)!

sunday morning price £1150

I am selling it link

trying to sell it as complete

Coloured tyres?

Go straight to anti-porn or Max Power matchy-matchy hell: the choice is yours, flip a coin...

Well the black/brown-ish sides could look fine on a retro-build