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Think I might of found a good combo - Ridely Xbow with 105 and Discs! waiting on availability!

Ahh misread, apologies, thought the fork was included..

That seems heavy when compared to the Genesis

Yup, its a headline shocker, just not liking any of the disc equipped bikes out there, which I think has been the problem before I start spending way too much!

Yes that is true, didn't do to bad in a group test either - http://www.sensabikes.com/Test%20Outdoor%20Fitness%20Cute.pdf

See I am swaying more towards the Sensa, preferring the colour scheme. Maybe theres my answer!

Right think I have got it down to 2 bikes!

http://www.stevensbikes.de/2013/index.php?bik_id=9&cou=DE&lang=en_US

and this http://www.sensabikes.com/product_info.php?cPath=7&products_id=603 with Aksiums and Ultegra

What are peoples thoughts?

Anyone have an experience or knowledge about Sensa bikes?

show off ;o)

The other thing I am trying to do is to get a good spec from the off, and 'try' not to upgrade later on!

I would say that there would be a 60/40 split road to dirt, but would like to try racing!

AndyP - this is why I would want a disc compatible frame now so I could upgrade later on, anything has to be better than dual pivot brakes!!

Properly set up cantis or mini-vs are effective enough for stopping, so you don't have to go down the disc brake route.

Cable operated discs are poor cousins to hydraulic discs and, currently, there is no decent OTP offering hydraulics. Personally I'd wait and just make do.

Thinking Disc based frame for future developments in this area, also like the stopping power when it comes to the commute!

But my last taste of disc brakes was the Formula R1 brake setup.

Mikey5000 - It would appear to stick with the £1000 budget is harder than I first had thought if I am wanting to go disc. Stevens Cyclo Cross Disc 2013 model I have found for under £1k but I love the look of the Rose bike!!

How did you fiddle it if you don't mind me asking, or PM me...

That Ridley is without disc! Even tho the picture shows it!

Not a fan of the Cotic X Sunday.

I am about 6' 3"

Yeah but which bike

Ah now looking at the mares ax disc.. And the Crux

Sorry should of said, local off road is firetrails and gravel tracks, with sand etc.. no huge rocks or mountains in Sunny Suffolk.

Hmmm.... Just thrown a spanner in the mix!!

Bike is going to be used for commute and off road...

Even tho there is a weight penalty for having the disc's? I was going to have Avid Shorty's on it.

The missus has ordered me that I sell my Langster and get a bike that can be used off road aswell as on the street, so look's like a Cyclocross bike its going to be.

I have been to a few shops locally which stock - Orbea, Focus, Ridley etc but one shop has offered to build a Ridley Crosswind Frame with New 105 components for £1000.

Just not sure what to do as I was liking the look of the Focus Mares AX 2.0 but this Ridley frame is damn light.... Anyone have any advice, or should I be looking at frames with Disc?

I have around a £1000 budget

Apologies for being too general with the thread.

Veloce or similar, the bike is a 90's steel, but I am updating it with 8spd (mech/brifters/cassette)

I need the following to finish off my build

Brakes (F&R)
Pedals
Headset 1" Threaded

Thanks

Phoned up a few shops and everyone seem to be leaning towards the H+Son's, looks like its them for me then!

Thanks for replies.

Ok so both will look, albeit slower on the Archetypes, will end up looking like my current CXP22's. Currently ride 23c tyres

I take it that the wear wouldn't be even across the rim, depending on the braking?

I am wanting them to be black anyway as this will help slide under the wife's 'His spending more money on that ******* bike' radar

Building a new wheelset as my current stock ones that came with the Langster have had it, was looking at CXP33 rims but have seen some nice H+Son Archetype rims that look similar.

Other than the weight difference, I have heard that the Archetypes suit 25c tyres more.

Just wondering if anyone has ridden both and what they think pros and cons

Thanks