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This where it falls down though. I'm 170cm. I'm pretty stocky, as I play hooker for the local rugby team, and do a fair amount of weight lifting. But I also run half-marathons, and have a 30/31" waist, so I feel in pretty amazing shape. In the right light, and viewed from the right angle, I even have the faint outline of a 6-pack ;)

My BMI is now 29.6, another 0,4, and I'll be obese. BMI is a joke.

No, it isn't. It's reasonably accurate for the vast majority of people. It fails for professional athletes (who have usually have much better resources to hand in any case), body builders (who don't give a shit what the average person weighs), non-professional but keen athletes/body-builders, the very young, the very old and the seriously ill. For almost everybody else, it's a useful metric.

You decided to become active, you're enjoying the benefits but one of the drawbacks is the added complexity in determining a healthy weight and diet regimen. Fair enough, but it doesn't justify dissing the BMI. Most people who do that are in denial. You aren't in that category, I'm sure, but they don't need your support.

Hmm. Head hurts.

Huh, nodders...

GregCollins has an account on here, fwiw. And I'm pretty sure I know where Tim O has another account, come to think of it...

i've never seen an old man on a brompton breeze past anyone

^ that's cos youre so fast D!

Nah, it's cause the old man is so fast.

It has a life of it's own, now. /quiet sob of pride.

/\/\/\/\ Guy who did Calvin & Hobbes was/is always against marchandising, not saying that you having this on a T-shirt would be marchandising though...

hmmm... puts a dampener on things...

I think it means you can put it on your own t-shirt, you just can't sell it to anybody else.

Markyboy repped

My girl says she'll only come if everyone keeps their tops on...especially Richie

Hmm, I feel the need to put in a special callout to the regulars on the weight loss thread. Don't even bother bringing a top, guys....

You mean Voluntary Reading Help? Surely not so secretive that it needs a PM?

It's not legal to recognise you, yet, I thought.

Doing a Bruce is teh awesome. Accept no substitute.

doesn't a slow cooker essentially destroy all the vitamins etc?

The answer to that is complicated. High temperatures are more destructive to most nutrients than low temps, but then prolonged exposure to heat compared to short exposure, well, it depends. The amount of liquid will affect it and so on. Slow cooking makes palatable tough cuts of meat that would otherwise not be eaten, so how do you figure that in?

Get the recipe right and it's not a problem.

Oh, and I have no idea where the Coach & Horses or the Bread and Roses are - any ideas which one we're meeting at?

The Bread and Roses is in Clapham. Coach and Horses is in Brixton but right on the edge of Clapham.

Coach and Horses are happy to let us have the upstairs room next Monday, so I've provisionally booked it. Bread and Roses wasn't available next Monday but could be in the future, with notice.

I would say "Stop mixing cold medicine and booze" only I was merrily popping some of your pills myself, last night.

#therebutforthegrace

We can all be Hatbeard's: http://www.firebox.com/product/4719/Original-Beard-Hats

Wearing one of those makes us his property?
Bearded slavery >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Must have been his double.

WTF? Cambria in curry fail. Will ask the manageress what was going on, next I see her.

I'm going to give the Bread and Roses a bell, see if their room is free. Will do the same for Coach and Horses (forgot to last night, when I was there, but then I was drinking, so that was likely to happen).

Saw a bloke running with a similar gait on the canal path last week. He did lift his knees a little, but the feet were moving in perfect semicircles with each step. Big waste of energy, that. Also, running like a girl.

**You guys are getting really het up about what was actually less than 5% of the people attending. **What about everyone else? Do the majority not matter because these particular people are on television and therefore more important than the other 300+ attendees? **By giving these select few individuals undue importance you are just reinforcing the culture of celebrity
**

^This.

why tho?

it's not like it wasn't bound to happen and im sure the good folks that organise it deserve some sort of reward for their troubles, if someone wants to throw sackfulls of cash at someone for organising something a lot of people seem to enjoy then why the fuck not?

Because when people were having a lot of fun arsing about in tweed, with no sponsor, it felt cool. When exactly the same thing is done by some other people, who mostly don't give a fuck about the sponsor - who knows, maybe those people don't like the implication by association that they were being (gasp) hipsters and not just friends having fun (as if the two are mutually exclusive). Much more convenient to say it's all gone downhill. After all, they were wearing tweed before it was cool...

If you didn't drink enough water during, water retention afterwards is a bitch. Takes a few days to subside, sometimes.

? The pizza thing isnt until the 14th

Cough What you two talking about?

I don't think anybody else noticed that. Phew.

Coach and Horses would presumably let us use the upstairs (and for free). Bread and Roses also has an upstairs room (used to have our branch meetings there when I was a TGWU/Unison member) and might let us have it for free given the political association. Dunno.

Is it a general bicycle maintenance thing?