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Wicksie
There's a crossover because these things can't really be separated. GA2G has basically created a rival list to Sold Secure.

As you say the locks aren't submitted, but selected, that's another reason to question Sold Secure. Why leave off the Fagh Mini? That's not an update, that's a regression. I realise that the insurers only accept Sold Secure Gold/Silver, that's the problem.

edscoble
That's brilliant! You can't even buy the Mini alternative in the UK! Fantastic.

crimsonape
As others say, the Kryptonite "guarantee" is rather tough to comply with. Anyone know a successful claimant? Also, I'm not so keen on buying a new Kryptonite every year to qualify, though I suppose that at £50 for the Fagh Mini (amazon.co.uk) it would be cheaper than independent insurance. Certainly not as comprehensive. Do Kryptonite guarantee parts/accessories, accidental damage, will they pay for my taxi home, do they offer medical insurance or legal fees insurance? ... The policy that LCC recommend covers things like these.

Nice to have 3rd party cover though! Thanks LCC.

neilp
Can anyone confirm this? I'll try looking up their exact terms (if anyone has a copy, please do send it).

Perhaps the Series 2 Mini will turn out to be a good replacement for the Evo Mini, or perhaps Sold Secure will add the Fagh Mini at some later date. Until then, I'm swallowing the weight and going overkill: Fagh Mini + NY Standard. I'll do my best to fill the gaps.

I agree, use both.

Seems the Series 2 is hard to source in the UK (guess it's new?), you've got to order from the US. Also, the steel might be slightly less hardened than the Evo, not confirmed.

Could always use a Fagh Mini + NY Standard combo, get some exercise.

Still think we should start a petition. Crazy that the insurers put our bikes at greater risk.

Yep,
I posted it in this threadL
http://www.lfgss.com/thread17938-9.html

And wrote:

This from Sold Secure:

The product called Krytonite Evolution Mini was removed the middle of last year from our approved listings as the product was not put In for annual audit , there is a new product by Krytonite called Kryptolok series 2 mini which is a small D shackle which will be on our approved data base shortly, The product you inquire about (THE FAGH) was pedal cycle silver rated

But my insurance company (ETA) said the Fagh are on the list so their fine. I think they're confusing it with the NY 3000 though.

I posted (a small essay) shortly after:

http://www.lfgss.com/post1272690-463.html

Seems the best Kryptonite locks will break your insurance policy. You could rely on Kryptonite's (carefully worded and very strict) guarantee, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Does anyone know of an insurer that accepts Fagh Minis or Evo Minis? It's a main criteria of mine, I'd love to hear.

Already addressed in posts 407 and 409 (1 page back).

Oh Shoot. I did have a faint sense of déjà vu.

After carefully re-reading the last page, a recap:

Yes, using the Fagh Mini as your only bike-to-object lock does invalidate most common UK insurance policies.

As far as UK users of "mini" U-locks go, the Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit Mini and Evolution Mini are not on the Sold Secure list, only the Kryptolok Series 2 Mini (which is nearly 4cm longer, and has a lower security rating).

As far as I can see, this leaves 3 options:

**(1) **Comply with Sold Secure insurers: use the Fagh Mini with the Series 2 Mini, instead of the Evo Mini, to approximate the recommended setup (you'll need to park where there are both front and back points to lock to, good practice but somewhat limiting). Of course, you can use the Evo Series 4 Standard, or the more brutish NY Standard (which are listed), and forget about using two Minis. Or, if you can bear the weight, diversify, swallow, and use the Fagh Mini + Fagh chain (which is listed). Chains, as we know, are not recommended (not least by your chiropractor).

(2) Call your insurers and ask why the Fagh Mini isn't listed. Ask if they can make an exception.

(3) Move insurers. Possibly try ones that accept Thatcham, and use a Thatcham approved lock (GA2G suggests the Motrax Viper disc-lock/U-lock).

Failing that: (4) Ignore insurance altogether. Put £100 a year into a savings account, load up with Fagh Minis and alarms (and possibly a rifle, or some sort of highly trained skunk), cross your fingers and wait it out, hopefully for as many years as your bike costs.

As for my original question, the answers from the previous page seem to be "Sure, the Fagh Mini and the Evo Mini are the best combination, if you love your bike, but you can't really use them in the UK, certainly not with most common insurance policies." If that's the answer, why does a London centric forum recommend them? I realise this thread is only about "locks that work", and not strictly about insurance, but surely it's hard to separate these things out - if a lock just buys me time, and the inevitable happens, part of the criteria for a lock "working" must surely be that it also lets me get my bike back.

Perhaps we should band together and start some sort of petition? You've recommended some great locks, we really should have them accepted by insurance companies. Start a people's Sold Secure. Even the London Cycling Campaign's default insurer doesn't accept the Fagh Mini. That's just silly.

Hold on, I might be totally wrong here, but if this thread's number one recommended lock - the Fahgettaboudit Mini - isn't on Sold Secure's list (apparently because Kryptonite doesn't submit it for the annual tests, obviously not because it wouldn't pass), then doesn't using one as your main bike-to-unmovable-object lock stand to invalidate most common bicycle insurance policies?

Obviously I want to use one, it's a great lock. Should I shop around for a different policy, call my insurers and ask if they'll make an exception, or use another Sold Secure lock as my number 2? I'd rather have the Fahg at the rear, and something like the Evo Mini at the front as number 2 (the Evo Mini isn't listed either .. crap!) but in this case to comply it couldn't just lock the wheel to the frame. What to do?

Ignore it and hope? I hope not!

Any ideas?

[Edit]

According to Wicksie, Sold Secure personally select the locks they deem worthy of testing, so it's not because Kryptonite didn't submit them. Also, I believe the tests are not, or not just, annual; Sold Secure review them every month.