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Definately, but certainly interesting...

Think this is a repost... Bike looks a little confused but again amazin engineering

Also check out the gearboxed bikes on there...

The are all amazing engineering!

http://www.nicolai.net/products/e-frames/e-argon-road.html

Front or rear?

You have PM!

Cheeky! Dont cut me out the loop...

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14 oval (2 pairs, and far, far away from London)
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54 drunken - need posting to Bristol please. Whenever Royal Mail sort their shit out
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57 Rolphy - no posting needed, i can pick them up :)
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66 sebastian.gone.archi - Black Please, Also, Postage to Reading.
67 neu - Black plz, London pick up.
68 nukeluc
69 L-bear. Black/grey, London pick up
70 DoYouBlaze? Black please. London pick up
71 PinkPanther - Black, pick up from london
72 Henryb- postage to bristol. Holla
73 The_What - London pick up
74 haro - london pick up - all black
75 Markky - london pickup/black
76 SHEK - london pick up
77 Maxtm- London pick up in White???
78 BMXCONAN - Postage to Aberdeen
79 kattiep - black, london pick up
80 - Rossy - London, pick up
81 Johnny Boy - London Pick Up - Black
82 - pojo! - London pick up - black
83 jaw - London pick up - black
84 - andyfallsoff, London pick up - Black
85 - lookseehear - pickup from london/postage from Oz :)
86 - Hauska - Pick up from london - Black
87 - nim23 - post to Kent (black)
88 - econodog - black or white / can pick up in ldn thx

Right... My rough measurments...

Id say the headtube is 75-6 degrees, the rake is about 45cm maybe more, and the trail is about 6cm.

That sounds quite a bit to me.

The forks are definitely the matching pair to the frame, same serial numbers on them etc...

What I did find interesting on the Dave Moulten site, it mentions...

"Other older established builders, still clinging to the little or no trail theory, shortened the fork rake but at the same time made the head angle steeper to maintain the trail status quo.

This made for some very squirrelly bikes being built in the 1970s, with 75 and 76 degree head angles and front wheels almost touching the down tube. Shorter chainstays to shorten the rear end of the bike were pretty much universally accepted."

This is what I reckon the problem may be with mine, being a 70s frame, the head tube looks fine but the rake seems quite a bit. As I say ill measure tonight.

Ill measure up the trail tonight and get back... ;-)

Cheers all

Tis all good, no worries!

Thankful for the feed back guys...

Jokers! ;-)

Its the top picture people should be going by for the bike geometry.

The bottom picture was when I just put it together with a random saddle to see what it looked like.

The top picture, the saddle sits far back and a bit higher. Im just over 6ft so the frame isnt too big for me.

stick some risers on it, or just get used to riding it? This thread is a little on the side, I'm afraid to say...

How is this facepalm? so far ive come to the conclusion that the bike being an older frame could probably do with a little more trail from the Dave Moutlon site, invaluable information I think!

I ride another road bike so im used to riding drops. Isn't it all about getting you bike to ride as nicely as you can? Its all fine tuning from here on... ;-)

1 Rod Munch(?)
2 JonoMarshall(Done)
3 aufbruch(Done)
4 Buddha Fingaz(Done)
5 Dracula(Done)
6 porter7474
7 Vinylvillain(Done)
8 (Done)
9 Timmy2wheels
10 BleakReference
11 Casp
12 The_BMX-KId
13 Sol
14 oval (2 pairs, and far, far away from London)
15 Befixed
16 Loop
17 Marc_77 (Newcastle)
18 Sammy
19 nikuls
20 Stein(need postage)
21 Edmundro
22 MonkeyDXIII
23 can_i_have_a_p_please_bob
24 overandout
25 jv
26 hmmbutterscotch
27
28 nikT (possibly 3 pairs and not close to london at all)
29 Velonoir
30 ctznsmith
31 Davey Mayhem (requested a bit ago)
32 niels.
33 twelve.
34 PISSED_UP_PISTA
35 roryeaglestone (in manchester)
36 Scrapper
37 nooms
38 PeteScotch
39 koai
40 mo-nochromatic
41 saffa
42 LdnGrrl (after stupidly pulling out on the 4th place) Black's fine.
43 MagnumPI
44 Subsist
45 fred
46 Fujiboy (Anychance of white)
47 Rob
48 313
49 MacB - will need posting to Farnborough, Hampshire
50 billynomates247 (pm's ages ago but just to be sure)
51 Udon
52 Beanpie. Black's fine, thanks - Pickup from London
53 Kearnj - need to post to the U.S. Black is good. I think I did this right.
54 drunken - need posting to Bristol please. Whenever Royal Mail sort their shit out
55 Arnie
56 Madebysofia (black would be perfect, thanks
57 Rolphy - no posting needed, i can pick them up :)
58 someday (black - can pick up in london)
59 CasaSteve - Black/red and posted to UK (Coventry) please :)
60 arantrek - 2 PAIRS PLEASE!! Black, posted to UK (London) Can pick up London PMd
61 nogoodnames - Black plz, posted.
62 Ricochet - 2 pairs blackpls, can pick up
63 Noorkoiv - Black PM on route
64 SpiceRack - London pick up
65 erictheking - Black Please - can pick up in London, Cheers.
66 sebastian.gone.archi - Black Please, Also, Postage to Reading.
67 neu - Black plz, London pick up.
68 nukeluc
69 L-bear. Black/grey, London pick up
70 DoYouBlaze? Black please. London pick up
71 PinkPanther - Black, pick up from london
72 Henryb- postage to bristol. Holla
73 The_What - London pick up
74 haro - london pick up - all black
75 Markky - london pickup/black
76 SHEK - london pick up
77 Maxtm- London pick up in White???
78 BMXCONAN - Postage to Aberdeen
79 kattiep - black, london pick up
80 - Rossy - London, pick up
81 Johnny Boy - London Pick Up - Black
82 - pojo! - London pick up - black
83 jaw - London pick up - black
84 - andyfallsoff, London pick up - Black
85 - lookseehear - pickup from london/postage from Oz :)
86 - Hauska - Pick up from london - Black
87 - nim23 - Post to Kent

Another side on image

The angle isnt too slack, maybe its just the track bars making it a little harder?

Hey! all th talk while Ive been away!

They are indeed some Nitto b125's...

I have a geared road as well which handles fine, but is on a newer frame.

I believe it must be a combination of old frame geometry mixed with track low level bars.

Which leaves me with two options:
New forks! nice!
or new handle bars
or a combination of both...
(*edit - three options!)

Would be nice to get some lovely carbon forks with less rake!!

Its a brand new Tange headset which has been fully greased and checked.

I like it feeling free, i just dont like the less control i seem to have at high speed!

I haven't measured it, no. But I cam see what you mean, my hands would be well behind the center of the wheel. It is a 70s frame?

Want!

http://www.thevintageknob.org/PIONEER/SA9900/SA9900.html

:)

Yes ive riden drops before, my other bike has drops.

Headset is brand new, and seems fine...

Maybe I just need to get used to it!

Parky is a legend!

It steers to either side, not one in particular.

Doesnt judder.

Yes, I wee'd a bit.

Not in London at the moment, however, I was today...

The steering just seems really light, almost too light, I wonder if im too far back on the seat?

Actually, no, gave it a quick go and quickly put my hands back on the bars... I may be able to if I tried hard but it should be much easier...

I can any other road bike...

Maybe its a natural thing then...!?

My main concern is at high speed, moving from the drops up to the top of the bar can be a bit hairy, last thing I wanna do is come off!

Everything is new, checked and double checked...

When I say twitchy I mean the steering seems very light and unstable compared to my mates bike, he thinks the same.

Its ridable, dont get me wrong, but Im wondering if a different bar would change things?

The frame and fork is solid, its not a problem with that or the headset, its more of a geometry problem.

And yes, I'm fairly light, well... 11st...

So, ive had a good read up on this post...

http://www.lfgss.com/thread19152.html

But comparing the angles mentioned, my seat already seems to be placed quite far back and my stem is much longer already.

I rode a mates bike today, he had bull horn bars on so the riding position is much more upright, the ride felt much more stable and easier to corner. He also has 28mm tyres.

My bike as you can see has 23mm tyres and nitto drops, which are not as wide as his drop bars.

Would it be the drop bars which are creating the problem, making the bike feel much less stable? Or maybe the do

Thanks!

Cheers for the offer but if I do go for bmx cranks then i'd go for a black chainring, thanks anyway.

Hey dude

I got a black 38T saturn ring? and black chain pimp ring protector?

PM me if interested.

Probably be worth more to you just keeping it... As it probably runs nicely and is a fairly capable bike.

Also Im not in London at the moment, so the roads are a bit safer!