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You're all wrong - the market correction (if that is its real name) was the globalists sending a satanic message to Trump.

https://www.infowars.com/execute-order-666-stock-market-plunge-globalist-signal-to-trump/

Elon Musk is such a cunt

We are prisoners of insecure film producers et al and really a world that is spinning in the wrong direction. If ANYBODY is being harmed, against their will........

He makes a good point, though.

Yes please I'm trying to build a satellite dish for my roof to hack the ISS camera feed and prove the world is flat to all you fuckin loser roundies.

The FBI was established by J Edgar "justice is incidental to law and order" Hoover in order to combat communists and other civil rights groups.

COINTELPRO is well documented - an FBI surveillance programme which among other things helped cover up the execution of Fred Hampton and Black Panther associates. It was via COINTELPRO that the FBI also tried to blackmail MLK into killing himself, and to an unknown extent encouraged the assassination of Malcolm X. More recently (last year I think without looking it up) a leaked FBI memo exposed illegal surveillance of "black identity extremists" - read "scary black people".

They've been called out by Human Rights Watch as having been actively involved in the planning of a number of terror plots, mostly for the purpose of entrapping suspects. Human Rights Watch concluded its report on FBI sting operations by suggesting that many of the entrapped suspects would not have committed any crime had it not been for the involvement of FBI intelligence officers. Check out the Newburgh Four for an example.

They were found to be investigating Standing Rock activists last year and were allegedly sharing information with private mercenary groups hired by DAPL. There have also been relatively recent reports of a prevalent revolving door relationship between senior FBI agents and corporations carrying out surveillance on environmental activists.

Also ACAB.

It really isn't difficult to find a number of examples of the FBI entrapping otherwise innocent people, assisting in political assassinations and planning false flag terrorist attacks, to name a few of their interests. They're perhaps a while away from being as outrageously evil as the CIA but nonetheless are not the friends of the American people.

I'm not sure I agree with your second point. Identity politics is useful to liberals like Obama not only because of the positive optics (how people are still falling for this shit is beyond me) but also because promoting individualistic culture wars has a divide and conquer effect. I guess we learned a lesson with Trump that the right is better at uniting against "PC gone mad" type junk than the "left" is at maintaining a coherent intersectional movement.

Edit: The end result of these kinds of idpol led culture wars is unimportant to the guys pulling the strings as long as they keep everyone fighting with each other. Obama and the Democrats thought they could play the game without risk of reprisal but their assessment was clearly very off.

The Democrats' red scare dog whistle is so transparent and laughable that I can't even be bothered to keep up with it any more. There were dirty tricks on both sides no doubt but fucking hell it's Donald Trump we're talking about here - the net was as wide open as it gets.

I guess we can go around and around in circles over points like these. Incremental change is fine if it actually drives progress - another Clinton presidency would not have. Sanders may have been a step in the right direction but I guess we'll never know.

Piecemeal social progressivism coupled with exploitative economic policy is neoliberalism 101. How perverse it is to celebrate the Democrats for letting in a few thousand extra refugees than the actual open racist Trump, whilst they raze entire communities both domestically and abroad. Should we not be expecting more of our elected representatives? I hate that we've ended up in a situation where we can accept an utter failure like Hilary Clinton as a reasonable candidate for the Presidency simply because it's her turn and she's not Trump.

I'm at risk of sounding like the nutter Alex Jones but I'd recommend reading the Podesta emails if you want a taste of the Clintons' contempt towards democracy.

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I'm all for incrementalism if it means genuine progress. Bernie was far from an ideal candidate but probably would've been a start towards some kind of hegemonic shift.

Clinton was a dud from day 1. She would have continued the Democrats' legacy of pillaging vulnerable communities at home and overseas and thrown a few scraps to the plebs to improve optics. Obama had genuine charisma and could pull it off - Hilary could not. I don't buy into the at least she isn't Trump argument because honestly she's not that different in the places it matters.

Yeah right she won the popular vote by approx 2,500,000 in a country with 235,248,000 eligible voters against a historically unpopular opposition candidate.

Hilary/the DNC missed an open goal and lost the election far more than Trump really won it. All the Russian psy-ops in the world won't change that fact.

mistake

Yeah this was a typo - it's meant to read free market although I was unsure whether to include it anyway because you can't reasonably attach a free market label to contemporary neoliberal economics.

capitalism begins to fail in very wealthy post-industrial societies

This is close to what I'm suggesting except that capitalism isn't really failing at all in the US, UK, Canada etc. It's succeeding at exactly what it's supposed to do. We are far beyond the point of capitalism beginning to fail the poor.

Anyway, capitalism thread ----->

I guess it depends on your definitions. Modern liberalism, to me, is too deeply rooted in market capitalism to ever provide a suitable alternative to whatever havoc Trump is wreaking at any given moment.

Sure they may nominally care about social progress but as the past few decades in both British and American politics have demonstrated, it's impossible in reality to support both social and economic progress and neoliberal economics. All the pandering in the world couldn't change the fact that Hilary was not interested in any progress but that of the financial industry and her own campaign coffers. She offered no alternative to Obama's failed policies and was rightly rejected by the electorate.

Until somebody offers a real alternative to Trump and the conditions which gave us Trump, nothing will change. Bernie would have been a start, sure.

The FBI isn't interested in helping you, and if it does manage to get rid of Trump (which it won't) it will go right back to propping up crypto-fascist US hegemony and subjugating the global poor. Nor are the "rebel" Republicans who have somehow found a conscience after dedicating their careers to pillaging the most vulnerable in society. They do not deserve our support regardless of how hard they go after Trump.

huh?

Your two examples of why Democrats are the good guys are pretty easily debunked. The Democrats make a show of promoting free healthcare when in fact what they are promoting is a humiliating means tested paperwork exercise. I don't doubt that they would prefer people not to die but then what good capitalist wouldn't want to maintain a surplus of healthy workers in a low wage economy?

Labour's problem isn't really comparable to the Democratic Party. The Democrats' problem right now is that they remain incapable of accepting that they handed the presidency to Trump by not standing for anything. The reason they won't stand for anything? Because their campaigns are paid for by the financial sector, the military industrial complex, the pharma industry etc etc. The US is desperately hurting for a party that genuinely represents working people - the Democrats will never be that.

Honestly I see where you're coming from but we're so far beyond being able to entertain best-worst arguments that they're really not worth having. Why wouldn't Hilary commit to a meaningful minimum wage increase, or to an actual universal healthcare programme, or to de-escalating US imperialist projects overseas? It's because they are following the money, just like Trump. They're just better at hiding it.

Any assertion that the FBI can be a force for justice is, as you put it, not worth the trouble to respond to.

I'm not sure that it is a tautology? I work for a public institution which I would say is the opposite of oppressive. But then I would say that.

What's wrong with that?

I honestly have no idea how to respond to that.

The recent prevalence of empty identity politics hasn't really done anything to slow the ongoing campaign against the poor in the US. That should be pretty obvious to everybody by now, not least to Hilary Clinton and the losers who still cling onto the tatters of the Democratic Party.

Liberals seem to hate Trump because he is an offensive buffoon who lacks the sense to disguise his contempt for the global poor. At least Obama was rapping or playing basketball or whatever other shit on late night TV whilst simultaneously raining fire on civilians from his weaponised robotic killing machines.

I went off on a bit of a tangent there but the point is that Trump is bad for liberals because they love exploiting the poor but hate getting seen doing it. By dint of being a hideous, stupid man and an even worse politician, Trump has exposed what Obama and the whole Democratic establishment were working so hard to cover up. He's bad for business and so has to go.

When did the FBI start caring about the rule of law?

What I'm saying is that anybody who genuinely wants to oppose Trump and the conditions that put him in the Whitehouse should not be relying on these oppressive institutions to do so. The FBI no doubt has its own agenda here and it certainly isn't the betterment of the living conditions of ordinary American citizens.

Edit: It's just a demonstration that liberals are not interested in social progress but in ordered inequality. I doubt we'll be hearing much from the #resistance once Trump is gone and a more palatable Republican/Democrat is installed to continue the US' programme of perpetual class warfare.

Not sure whether to laugh or cry at all the liberals coming out of the woodwork to stand up for the poor put upon FBI top brass. Trump, though a paranoid idiot cunt, is at least right that the FBI is a massive unaccountable force in US politics and public life.

What on earth do these people stand for if they are anti Trump but pro FBI?

Normal people

he is a tory

I'm living in Vancouver, BC right now. Thinking of picking up my mate's FJ1100 and spending a couple months on the road before I head home at the end of the summer.

Anybody got any US/Canada west to east road route suggestions?