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MTB components have changed dramatically. Entire paradigms have shifted. Number of useful gears for example, let alone the deraileurs. There isn't a part on the bike that isn't completely different from what was 15 years ago. A lot of the older stuff was so "wrong" that even if it is classic, well build and in perfect condition it's just hard to drool over.

second, regarding the frame comment: I said a few posts back that MTB porn from the 90's can really ONLY include [hardtail] frames and tires. But even with that, frames have changed dramatically to fit their intended purpose.

just an opinion.

a close up of some arbitrary but nice parts:
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Now I have nasty 'experianced MILF' metaphors going around my head.

I love the look of old school MTB's with horizontal top tubes and steel forks. Even the cheap rubbish which survives as beaters and commuters, make me turn my head. They seem to look so fun. Seeing the nicer examples on this thread is a joy too. But, given the chioce, I'd rather be on a mid range Focus or similar.

Still, pretty though.

excellent

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this frame was so ahead of it's time, that i'll throw this up here. It had all the flaws of bikes from that era (pedal bob, and bad pivots), but it was one of the more efficient, light and actually rideable full sus bikes made at the time.

oh for fucks sake. i'm leaving.

proper old school MTB Porn.
The Xizang TI

And it's outsourced (though possibly better) sibling the LIghtning

proper MTB porn from the 90's can really only include frames and tires. everything else was shit.

The componentry was still evolving in mid 90s from touring stuff, and it got better pretty quickly.
I still ride a 95 Adroit with 8 speed XTR, it's absolutely fine. I also have a 92 Pinnacle with original Deore, it isn't brilliant, but it is still fine, and it marks a turning point in history. First proper complete mountain bike I ever had, and it still allows me to keep up with people on modern stuff.
I also have but don't ride so much a Mantra from 95 with XTR. This climbs steep technical stuff like no other bike I have ever tried. I also ride some very modern stuff off road too, so know the differences.
I once saw a Klein frame cut right through length ways for a display. The manipulation of the alloy was astonishing. Nothing has been done like that in alloy before or since. We are only now getting this kind of sophistication with wrapping carbon, so in that respect as well as many others Klein were truly ground breaking.
Even today few bikes look as good.

tell me youre kidding.

i didn't start this discussion to argue... I said "weird taste, no big deal" but now i have to chime in with more than i wanted to. anyone who had any idea what was good, we drooled over well kitted steel bikes. the GO TO ride was a well upgraded Stumpjumper with an elastomer fork. We all knew that air forks were unreliable. etc etc.

Also the GT avalance in STEEL was a bike to drool over.

Bontrager was another. etc etc.

to the old school MTBer Klein represents the worst of the era.

Bollocks. It's always easy to call bullshit on peoples posts on forums and say that they don't know what they're talking about, but this post really makes me wonder what could lead anyone to say what you just said, other than a grave lack of knowledge.
Upon close inspection you'll find these bikes are kitted out with the very best, most expensive and most desirable and exotic components from their era: Ringlé, Cook Bros, Syncros, Shimano XTR, Nuke Proof, full Campagnolo mountainbike gruppos etc, they are all present.

all of which rides like crap. You'd take a long cage XTR on ANY bike nowadays? People who had any idea what they are doing wouuld use two inner rings, and a road cassettes with a 105 short cage deraileur on their MTB bikes to avoid such chain dropping sloppy crap. and ringle was a joke. nukeprook symbolized people with too much money. In fact, so did Klein all together.

you don't wanna have this argument. thats all i'm gonna say.

yea but have anyone ever ridden one? they aren't exactly that great. plus all the components are crap on these posted. very few old MTB components are worth their weight in dirt

you guys have such funny taste in MTBs. No big deal

just get a wider BB? i don't understand.

what kind of frame parts, etc.... obviously beautiful, but wouldn't look the same with a modern build.

if thats porn then my bike is porn. which it isn't.

Pics are deleted........sorry to have upset you so much.

just how he does.

save us the truoble actually....

i do think a single tube an illogical approach that only makes any sense if the bar is completely straight from dropout to headtube.

i imagine the if the single bar makes a completely straight line between the head tube and the dropout then you're only dealing with torsional forces along the length of the tube when under hard pedaling.

i'm not sure which forces a pipe more easily resists... torsion along it's axis, or bending.

my suspicion is that torsion wins, and so bending that tube for aesthetics takes away from any logic behind the design because you're polluting the purely torsional system with forces along a plane. (???)

hope that makes sense. i'm not editing it for clarity.

What is that blue one? Minus the dropouts, almost looks like a Waterford. Very nice

Something pretty minimal, simple I not hugely bulky ( I assume it aint full in the photo but I hope you understand)

no one knows what to tell you

there are a million options.

you can start your expensive quest here:
http://www.adelineadeline.com/bags.html
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=146_589
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/bags-panniers-and-baskets.html
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks

ohwell, still looks better than you complaining all the time

well done. second good post youve made. third including the muddy brooks

^yea.

reposting your own (quite shitty) post from last page is surely bringing you some distinction along the lines of common forumengers

why you gotta be such a dbag?

nah you can see the hub if you look closely its a flip flop

eh wise guy eh?

i honestly can't look at it and not laugh.

similar in what way?

LFGSS Mysteries

dude is that you?

you blow.

looks insanely fast. i bet it was like riding a dragon.