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I think we've even built a non-lo-pro AA-Super for track. Lower than 57 cm though. Was made for UK match sprinter Paul McHugh.

do you have some photo's of this mythical beast ? ^

Frame number reference:

http://stalenrosklassiekeracefietsen.blogspot.nl/2011/04/framenummers-en-bouwjaar-gazelle-frame.html

already have an aa super lo pro in my hallway
and you'd need a big pot of gold !

How about a 57 cm AA Super baanfiets?

Does anybody know whether an early '80s AB would take a band on or clamp on front derailleur?

Most early 1980 AB frames will be for clamp band only.
For AB, a braze on part has been optional for a very long period.
I guess that in the early 1980s, the majority of AB frames didn't have a braze on for a front mech. At the late 1980s it was a lot different.

I'm running a 10 mm pitch rear hub.
The only combination I have right now is 52 x 16, but a 50 T ring would be ideal.
I'll wait for the chain to come in and after checking I can tell more.

Could be.
The chain is on its way now and I can try and measure it next week.
In the best case, it will fit as it is (112 links was said).
According to my rough measurements, 114 or 116 must work for the gear combination 52x16 and the given chain stay length.
Will get back to you asap.
Cheers.

Thanks, I've seen those.
That US$ 400.- one is already down to 300.-

I'm watching that chain whip, but I expect that one to end at 100+ also, plus GBP 30.- for postage.
That's a bit steep for 4 links of chain.

2 to 4 extra links needed.
So even a redundant chain whip or left overs after making a new chain to correct length will do.

Also a few links will do.
Anyone with left overs?
Or a chain whip 10 mm pitch?

Still not cheap, but all together not that bad.
From Norway with free shipping:

http://www.ebay.es/itm/Shimano-SPD-Shoe-Pedal-Cleats-SM-SH70-For-Dura-Ace-PD-7410-NOS-NIB-/380525695306?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item589919514a

That must have cost literally a million pounds.

No, not really. I was a bit lucky.
If that was true, I wouldn't have asked here to help me finding an affordable matching chain.

It's excellent.
Peter's right, period correct parts would have been better, but these parts are easy to sell/swap for the older parts.
When you buy a used frame and parts individually, you'll end up at a higher price and the condition of the stuff may be much worse. Even need a repaint for the frame, which would be a shame for a Gazelle with original paint and decals.

Picked this up on Saturday.
Superia track frame Ishiwata 022
59 cm c-t
Dura Ace 10 Pitch components
Some ruse and scratches on the frame, but all okay.
10 mm drive train hardly used
Spokes completely rusted, but easy to rebuild the wheels.

Not sure if I will leave the frame/fork as it is or repaint.
In case I restore it, I have to make replicas of the decals, which will be not that hard.

Because of the brand of the bike, the age and the component choice, it may be a frame of an ex pro, e.g. the former 1978/1979 Marc Zeepcentrale team with track riders Patrick Sercu, Gary Wiggins, Danny Clark, Herman van Springel, Ferdi van den Haute, ...

First, I wanted to buy the frame set and sell the chain set.
But since the seller gave me the wheels with original hubs and sprockets and because the original Dura Ace BB-set and headset were still assembled, I'm considering to keep the parts and to complete the group set.

But the hardest part may be, to find the matching Dura Ace 10 mm pitch chain.
Does anyone know such a chain for sale (except the US$ 320,- one from Portland, Oregon (U.S.) on Ebay.com) ?

FOUND !!!

A long shot, I know.
Have the whole group set, but the chain is missing.

Special 1970s track chain with 10 mm pitch instead of the usual 1/2" (12.7 mm).

oooh dear, the irony was obviously lost there
chin up

Not that bad. Even I had a Colnago. However, sooner or later, everybody will experience that it's just a bike frame. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's a myth, not a miracle.
Enjoy it, so will I with other brands.

Nag non believers opinions are worthless imho

Nag forum, Saarf forum, kids playground > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I heard that raced bikes lose their stiffness after a while, but this was from a Nag non believer, so his opinion is worthless imho

This is big bull shit of course and I'm a Nag non believer.
Racers and dealers say so, not only alu but also steel.
People are looking for excuses to sell/buy new bikes, which is good.

And oh yeah, Boeings and Airbusses do fall out of the air after 3 years service, because of reduced stiffness.

Thanks to Cecco and Ronny.

A year ago I tested their 2012 bTwin Facet 5.
It's one of the best bikes I tested the whole year, and there were some pretty expensive bikes.
Excellent bike, excellent value for money.

But you really have to know what you buy.
You depend on what they have in stock.
The product range is quite limited.
Almost no posibility to customize the bike: swap chain rings, chain set cogs, bars, stem.
Oh yes, they'll do it for you, but you'll have to pay for it and (again) there's not so much to choose from.

The problem is that also for the dutch market 58 cm is the most popular frame size.

1. Many frames or bikes offered in that size.
   
2. A lot of people are looking for the same frame size as you so.
   
   

You beter be size 52/53/54, then it's easier to find a good deal.

If you have a gourgeous Japanese frame to trade, it would be a piece of cake to find a nice Gazelle.
Gazelle frames can be found here on every street corner, but nice Japanese frames are rare as hens' teeth.

After a long search, bought this via Ebay from... guess who.. ?
Jos!

20 to 25 pcs of all brands is untrue, but only Gazelle with 531 Speedstream could be possible. In the years I've worked there, only 1 or 2 SS frame sets have been built there. For Erik Breukink and Jos Alberts for the 1984 Olympics in L.A.
Possibly one was a repainted existing frame.
Gazelle used to make 8 - 10 pcs of each new model in the range for the autumn pre sales shows.
Add a few that have been built for customers and the qty mentioned before could be very well possible.

You're so right.
Let's call this a case of bad engineering.

The best explanation that SRAM is missing electric shifters...
O man, how much better would this look with the master cilinders in the lever bodies.

Booom. Hydraulic road brakes.