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You're on a roll tonight Hippy, is it the vodka?

High five!

I know... I'll get my coat.

The truth is, not much. It's not the use of the hand to hold the phone that is the problem. But it's easy to see someone using a hand held so the law went for that; it's a compromise. Or a cop out depending on how you look at it.

But isn't the crux of Oz's argument that there is no difference between someone using a mobile in a fully specced car with one hand by choice, as opposed to someone with one arm through no choice of their own, driving an adapted vehicle? (while not on the phone hands free or not)

Were the brake levers damaged mechanically? Do you really like them? Were they pantographed with a rare logo? How deep are the scratches? It's up to you really. It's unlikely that they will be returned to their original condition. You're asking for opinion on an unanswerable question.

Don't forget that they have special device fitted in their cars, like a ball shaped joystick on their steering wheel to enable them to turn the wheel 360 degree.

it's much more complex than you think.

I think therein lies the problem.

So whats the difference between a hands free and using a handset? You're still having a conversation down the phone. Ok, so you've got an extra hand to use but think of all those disabled people with only one arm who still drive.

WTF? You really thought that one through.

Yep, Van Der Vaart deal confirmed. Get in!

Ed's english lesson for the day;

'Wingedangel, I says this with the upmost respect I can bestow, but can you try and not add too many full stop every time you end a conversation? it's a little hard to read sometime'

Has it occurred to anyone yet that 'Caramel Cycles' is really terrifically racist?

Caramel or Coffee was a term used by bigots to describe people of mixed race. It would be unfair to include that prejudice in this case.

think that bable is good player, just need to be at the right club and play regular, as for Spurs strikers..think they do ok, but yep your right for that next step a top quality striker is needed.

TBH I think Babel could be a good player. Give him a manager like Moyes or O'Neil and he'd turn into a different player. I hope Steptoe gives him a chance. Parker is also a great player and I think he's made the right decision to stay and fight at West Ham. Despite being a yid, I have a soft spot for the hammers, which I feel is not generally reciprocated.

Wingedangel, I says this with the upmost respect I can bestow, but can you try and not add too many full stop every time you end a conversation? it's a little hard to read sometime.

This thread has it all, even Ed offering advice in grammar (no offence Ed.) It's all very simple though isn't it? In my opinion it is dangerous to provide and sell a fixed gear bike for less than about £500. If the large manufacturers can't do it, then to try and build up some deathtrap in your bedroom without having the bulk discounts available for bigger orders and figure in a profit margin is irresponsible. Ashe has taken this up as a crusade to fight for the 'little people'. Enter James and WingedAngel. They are right, this is not safe. If the guy wants to sell parts, that's ok, but these bikes are not fit to be on the street. Can I just add one thing,

It beggars belief! (Just wanted to add that for effect).

OP posted thread three years ago.

If we get Van Der Vaart for 8 mill, that's good business. Trust Levy to wait till the last minute though. Harry wasn't even looking to sign him, so Real must have been phoning round looking for suitors. Hope the paperwork goes through. At least all the Muntari (wipes sweat off brow), Babel (ditto) and Parker rumours were paper bullshit. Guud will be a good signing for Stoke, he was excellent for us last season. We're still left with four top 5 to 8th position (europa league) standard strikers though.

Ha, bit slow, only just got that. 'most beautiful people in the world' here's hoping for an Indian summer.

Coaster brake or not, you have to admire the sheer determination in sourcing such a vile combination of colours then feel let down by the black saddle. This is in so many ways a saddle fail.

Good point! Do they have different rules then?

No, there were for men. Like the Stones. The Beatles were for girls.

'Morrison Hotel' was good, 'Queen of the Highway' especially, but I can't help thinking Jim Morrison was a twat.

fuck me. What an ultra spanner. You know what I hate the most about the "music industry" and that whole scene?

The bell ends that go and jump around as though they know, like and understand what they're spazing out to. Get DJ no name to play the same set in their local bar and they'll give no acknowledgment- let alone climbing on their mate's shoulders with their multi colored wayfarers® like an extra from an Orange mobile ad.

Fucnuts

Just watched this. WAC and the music is soooo shite. Do that many people go to see this or was he DJing in the gaps at Lollapalooza just before a proper band? Dubstep my arse.

ha! sorry just discovered that the football thread is as active as it is, i got abit excited at seeing spurs get beat...anyway i should introduce myself, Ben: eternally optimistic and partisan Arsenal fan, eternally bilious spurs hater...probably hate spurs more than i support arsenal...

Oh god, militant gooner alert. Where do you normally exhibit this bile? At your local sky equipped pub, or do you make it to the emirates to stand up when you hate the scum?

Anyone know what these bars are? Or at least something similar, checked the definitive list of lists and none seem to have neither rise nor drop like these do

Here's a selection;

http://www.freshtripe.co.uk/Freshtripe/Handlebars,%20Headsets%20%26%20Stems.html

Nuknowble

Rep.

PS was the bound bunny a real ad? Isn't the second anthropomorphic rabbit quite wrong? Unless you are into furries or hirsute women,

I very much doubt that image was part of an official ad campaign.

I'm keeping the Carlton, this one the Favorit and a Panasonic, still to come from Mario's.
I'm starting a 26" fixed city bike now, with a fucking basket.

nuscoble!

Because this frame was built in Czech rep. in the early 80's, the conditions/,materials weren't the best. The tubing is a 'homemade', wood-pressed steel made in the city of Chomutv. The fitting of the headset was a nightmare - thanks Martin - the diameter of the headtube was different on both ends, the lower cup would get in just with a push. The fork steerer also had to be redone, and re-faced.
It feels really light and stiff, just a few details like bartape and it's done. I need a bike.

What happened to the Carlton? That was lovely.

I got the bars already scratched, the price was unthinkable for Cinelli Pistas ; )

But what about the windowsill, eh?