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Do you just dislike the concept that it might be the case or just categorically deny that it can be the case?

Never said that people shouldn't criticise Israel... Show me where I said that

Are you trying to misconstrue what I and others have said or do you genuinely not understand? If the latter, then try and understand how someone who is a supporter of Palestinian liberation and has good mates in that civil population that you blithely speak of can also see and experience Anti Semitism in the solidarity movement behind the Palestinian cause

No 'we' aren't. As someone who has both spent a substantial amount of time in the west bank, has many friends there and has strong sympathies and support for the Palestinian cause, it is a clear fact that the pro Palestinian cause is often a cover for anti semitism.

I have given you evidence. This dishonest 'appeal' for evidence is pathetic from people like you. Look a few pages back, or in the news. Margaret Hodge speaks for me and many other Jews that I know.and thank God someone has had the balls to step out and do so while everyone stays silent or snipes from the sidelines

There is a clear and acknowledged problem on the left with their fixation on Israel Palestine. The only anti semitism I have experienceded has been directly related to that. I is also all over public discourse.

I'm not on your side if you say things like that

Oh dear. That's a pretty appalling thing to say. As I've said before, if you seriously believe that this is point scoring against Corbyn, you are part of the problem. Why would the Jews sacrifice hundreds of years of history to make a political point?

And yes there is a fine line between the pro Palestinian /anti Israel squad and anti semitism, especially on the left

She's right

Margaret Hodge is a pretty amazing person and a hell of a credit to her constituents and her party, whats your beef with her?

for those of us who are out of the polo loop, who's repping for the UK and in which teams?

Well said

Yes it is what you have said.

You have already said that you can't take Jewish complaints seriously because they are anti Labour and if you don't support Labour then the Tories will wreck the NHS. You seem so blinded by this bizarre assertion that Labour =non racist and inherently good and Tory =racist and inherently evil. Your posts are so uncompromising and lacking in any kind of nuance that you are basically outlining exactly the issue which we are worried about.

Check my post a few pages back for concrete examples

We do think Corbyn is anti semitic....

I definitely do, and I hate the arrogance of the left when they presume that they are inherently less racist than the right. The only racism I've had is from left wingers and its been anti semitism.

I also find the statement that you find it difficult to take Jewish complaints seriously a pretty appalling thing to say. If you are anti racist, when a minority speaks, you listen and then don't tell them how to behave, who to support or who would be better for them.

im 50:50 will have to see how the day goes

lies damn lies and statistics?

Table, Shmable. There is an institutional problem with anti semitism in the Labour party. That is a clear fact as evidenced by all us Jews going out protesting in front of parliament about this very issue, Ken Livingstone being allowed to resign instead of being dealt with properly, numerous anti semitic issues within the party (70 odd incident backlog?), people like my mate Phil Rosenberg being hounded out of his local party meetings:http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-institutional-racism-in-my-local-labour-party/ , the bile that is directed towards Jewish MPs by Corbyn supporters and toe rags like Ken Loach and Peter willsman, Margaret Hodge and Wes Streeting being accused of using the issue as a vehicle to attack Saint Jeremy (as if the issue itself isnt important enough), etc etc etc. The evidence is there, you don't need a table to prove it.

The grey area and what is more difficult for people to understand is the link with Israel and Palestine. whatever your views on this conflict (and mine happen to be considerably more pro Palestinian than pro Israeli, but I shouldn't need to preface with this), the Labour party have sent out 2 clear messages:

1. The Labour Party of the UK's view on Israel/Palestine and their ability to criticise Israel, one of many many conflicts around the world, is much more important than the views of Jews in the UK, voters and constituents that the party might be hoped to view as important. They reject the ability of a minority to self define the discrimination against them (and believe me, a huge amount of antisemitism is directly to do with Israel, often from left wingers) so they can shout (ineffectively) from the sidelines about a conflict in another country on another continent.

2. The Labour party's view and approach is so single minded and so un-nuanced that as a political entity, they are reduced to yet another protest movement in the Israel/Palestinian debate, as they have clearly and decisively renounced all potential influence that they may have had with Israel, who, if you believe there is a solution to be had, need to be part of that solution too.

if you want tickets for Lord's being a Middlesex CCC member gives you some kind of priority, though you might have to sit in the Warner stand...

I think that the argument of 'its worse in the Tory party' is at best irrelevant and and worst an excuse for people closing their ears to anti semitism. There is a clear issue with it in the Labour party and it has come to the fore under Corbyn's leadership. Pointing at the Tories and their institutional racism is not the answer.

Its sad that at a time when the Tory party are similarly failing to deal with institutional racism in their ranks (eg a reluctance to withdraw the whip from Boris Johnson), the Opposition don't really have a moral leg to stand on due to their institutional issues with racism.

That's on Corbyn

I'll take it, will message

for oversize bars?

so i take it theres no game then?

im in!

But he's said all that stuff before and then done nothing about it. He's all words. Just A N Other bullshit politician

Corbyn allows the stuff that antisemites like Willsman and Livingstone to go unpunished and unchallenged unless they are recorded (and even when these vile people are caught and recorded, Labour still do nothing anyway) so he is now as bad as them. I gave him the benefit of the doubt but now Margaret Hodge speaks for me and most other Jews.

It is pretty terrifying that this man might be the next prime minister. Genuinely worrying to most Jews and other than some mealy mouthed articles in which he says the things that he knows he is meant to say, he and his institutionally antisemitic party doesn't act on any of these things.

Oh but he's going to renationalise the Post office.....

Second dibs on the barbag if it falls through