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The leaked IPCC documents indicated that Menezes was seated on the train carriage when the SO19 armed unit arrived. A shout of "police" may have been made, but the suspect had no opportunity to respond before he was shot. The leaked documents indicated that he was restrained by an undercover officer before being shot.
During the 2008 inquest into Menezes's death, passengers who were travelling in the same carriage also contradicted police accounts, saying that they heard no warnings and that Menezes gave no significant reaction to arrival of the policemen. One passenger said that Menezes appeared calm even as a gun was held to his head, and was clear that the police officers did not shout any warnings before shooting him.
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I think we can say that, in the UK, if you're asked to stop your vehicle and step out, you won't then be executed.
But you can be executed for travelling on the tube so nothing would surprise me.
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Pretty sure 3Dbotmaker racing was shared here during lockdown. It has continued to evolve and is laugh out loud entertaining at times. It helps to stay tuned through the competition rounds and have the backstory for the real slapstick moments, this weeks "finals" is top level entertainment.
With thanks to whoever shared it back then. #rep
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Was my first official marathon, made all the bit more meaningful as I DNF’d last year after stupidly starting with a stress fracture I’d picked up in training and it took me out for three months after doing 14km on it.
Returning to remedy that experience must've added to the glow at the finish. Well done once again.
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Great to meet you @Well_is_it, & great running once again.
2h59 for me, so happy to dip under the 3hr barrier at last.
Back to xc now, hoping to finally make it to the national in London, and then a summer of 5k's in 2025 I think.
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Seriously, start a thread. Make that space and invite people in.
This has way more value than your earlier rant. There is maybe an argument for not taking the discussion into a separate space though, as it removes it from the eyes of everyone else creating another echo chamber?
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I just thought - if we succeeded, we wouldn't need to exist. These are not successes.
I left the (sustainable transport) charity sector with this feeling. I asked regularly what the end game was, "we keep going" was the reply. My vision was that much of that charities work should be embedded in government as a basic essential provision of living in this country, how we choose to travel and that there should be an x year plan to pretty much not exist if that outcome could be prioritised and be met by then.
My colleagues there did amazing work and I wouldn't want to see them not working on this, just also that there shouldn't need tk be chuggers interrupting my bike ride asking me to contribute a frw quid to the cause, adequate funding should come via .gov, now via Active Travel England
I appreciate it is a single example and overall things are way more complex than that though, but on the face of it the "many things via charity" model of this country is a sign of government and spending/tax failings to me.
@kimmo I may be wrong, it sounds like you're externalising your many thoughts around this to make more sense of them & to find a way to direct your energy?
I want to see a platform for solidarity; a movement dedicated to making the noise of decency in the signal of colonialism into a signal which folks can tune into.
This is huge outcome. Helping build on what is already there I think is best, else a version this scenario happens:

I'm not necessarily right about any of this though.
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How long until you try ram your way out?