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Slightly off topic, but sure to please the car-haters, a Fiat dealer in Brazil:
http://www.fiatfuck.com.br/v2/index.php

have you driven one? I adore Audis but aesthetically the R8 does nothing for me either... spec wise,drive style though is quite different..its a phenomenal car

Nope. I'm just talking about the looks.

Take that Miura a few posts up. I really wouldn't care how bad to drive it was. If I owned it I'd be getting out and looking at the outside of it anyway ;-)

late night car porn...

I'm not wild about the car, but those wheels are very pretty.

Then there's the vitamin B12 question...

If you end up in hospital its not usually through your own choice. I think it would be pretty hard of you to say a vegan in hospital couldnt have vegan food.

Unless they were there with malnutrition.

Let us suppose in one massive generalisation that vegans are vegans because it gives them a sense of moral superiority. Someone that gets off on thinking themselves morally superior to such an extent that they are prepared to eschew wool, leather, eggs, honey, milk and meat, and live on a diet consisting solely of garnish would not commit crimes. Therefore there should not be any vegan prisoners. Therefore they are actually non-vegan prisoners taking the fucking piss. I suggest a wholly vegan diet of bread and water in prisons to eliminate the problem

discuss.

I agree with RPM's points, but why should your religious choice entitle you to certain foods but not your moral beliefs? Both are equally valid in my view.

Equally valid in mine too. i.e. not valid at all.

i'm composing a treatise called "i don't give a fuck what you think".
do you want me to send you a copy when it's finished?

Ooh, yes please. And I'll take the matching hat.

I see where you're going with this, and I would like to receive some literature.

gosh, we are a tough crowd. supporting vegan prisoners' rights is great, and so is hardcore. so there.

I remain unconvinced on both counts.

Here are some vids that sort of unite the car-love in this thread with the forum's general love for getting through London in a hurry, and blatant RLJ-ing. It's an eighties liver-transplant run from Stansted to a hospital off the Cromwell Road - the first clip is okay but the the last two, once the convoy is into the city, are better.

I had a V8 SD1 for a while - shitty brakes, zero handling, so respect to the five-oh for not stacking it.

I absolutely love SD1s. They are such a beautifully designed car. And a terribly made one, sadly. Yours must have had knackered suspension, because the handling should be superb. I have one of the last ones made; a blue 2300, and I haven't driven it in 4 years.

I'm already supporting criminals enough by paying for their prison sentence. Ungrateful sods.

Who's done the tag below 'TOX07'?

He got banged up didn't he? Now he was a cunt, just tagged the whole of fuckin London changing the date numerically each year, always over other work and I never saw a piece just shit tags!

hee hee, couldn't resist ;-)

Many years of tube trains with scratched windows have imprinted that shitty tag on my mind. I hate tagging. I appreciate a nice piece, and I like little bits of street art, and those spuds on top of bus shelters, but tags are tedious visual litter. I wanna see something creative and thoughtful

I am talking about one specific thread that I think doesn't belong on a bike forum. Telling me I see the entire world as black and white because of my statements on one thread, is, erm, rather black and white.

Actually, I've read a few of your other threads. From the sweary tantrum you had about someone having the temerity to tell you not to barrel through pedestrians, through the anti-capitalist ranting about Rapha and their silk scarf, to this bizzare outburst, you've written quite enough rabid and incomprehensible nonsense to allow me to form the opinion that you are only capable of accommodating your existing polarised worldview.

People should be allowed to post here whatever they like. I believe they should also think about whether they are adding positivity to the community and forum before they do.

So why didn't you, instead of barging in with such negative claptrap?

I don't believe that show-off, petrol wasting cars have a place here.

How is putting petrol in a car wasting it? That's exactly what petrol is for. Do you really think anyone is going to leave the oil in the ground?

I don't just ignore things I don't like. I strongly believe that doing just that would make me lame, lazy, ignorant and a waste of space on planet earth. I question things i don't like, try to understand them, create a discussion space, fight against them, end them, create something positive that drowns it out, whatever I deem appropriate to the matter at hand.

Who gave you permission to decide what is right and wrong? Why should you have the right to end things you disagree with? Why is it only you who gets to decide what is "appropriate" or "positive"? How are you creating a discussion space? This is a discussion space, and here you are trying to stifle that discussion. Have you ever considered that being an opinionated hypocritical troublemaker makes you a damn sight more of a lame ignorant waste of space than simply living and letting live?

All we are doing is typing words and posting pictures on an internet forum. Get over it.

Scott, you seemed like a really nice bloke when I met you at Easts, hope you'll still turn up there occasionally.

I've found this incidentally if anyone would like to redress the balance go and talk bikes on a car forum. They have a whole subsection. http://pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&f=174

Ahh how the past is rewritten.
The VW (or KDFWagen) was a major part of the Nazi party's public posturing, and the savings scheme that was set up so that the German people could pay for one bankrolled the Nazi war effort.

And they are bloody terrible cars by any sensible measure, but that doesn't stop me really wanting a Karmann Ghia.

What's "ace" about scrawling your name across someone's private property?
This 'Known' character (if that is his real name) is nothing but a common vandal. Hopefully he's in jail.

Not really :-)

Mind you, from the pics you've posted, he's not all that.

or to put it more simply, cars race ahead because they want to get across before the lights turn red, knowing that thanks to Ken they only turn green for a microsecond now. And they brake because they have number plates and cannot just ignore the law like us cyclists.

@Oliver, you may present the acceptable face of the LCC, and I don't wish to get into a debate about it here, but for me the LCC is characterised by its negative, dishonest and prejudiced campaigning. The Hackney group, for example, are trying to get a blanket 20mph speed limit across Hackney, (including the A12 no doubt), using such emotive crap as "Old street on a Friday night is no place to be driving at 30mph" when any fool who goes there can see that nobody actually drives at more than 6mph in Old St on a Friday. Or maybe the LCC that campaigned and still campaign hard against allowing motorcycles in bus lanes despite the obvious proven safety benefits to cyclists (who are the least likely group of road users to be killed on London's streets), pedestrians and motorcyclists (who are the most). Or the LCC who repeatedly peddle the blatant lies that motorcyles account for more injuries to cyclists than cars, when in fact they account for far far less than any other vehicle, (including other bicycles).

Mine was a really nice shade of poo brown (before it rusted).

And not dissimilar afterwards, I expect.

Surely it is common sense that posting a car thread on this forum is disrespectful to 90% of why this space is here.
I find it disrespectful to the lifestyle and environment that those committed to this forum are trying to create and keep safe.

Sorry Roxy, but the only person who sees the world in such black and white terms is you.

my ipod is stacked with christmas music, traditional, exotica, moog, alternative, punk, lounge.

I shall try to be there around 7

The other reason is surely, that you get more exercise on a fixed, so you get more of a workout in less time. When it's cold you don't want to be out there as long.

@BRM

Jensen Interceptor? British made, Vignale styling, 7 litre V8, and really have the archetypal 60's vibe.
Bristol of some sort? - wonderful cars, built properly, again with a reliable unstressed V8.
Daimler Majestic Major - Edward Turner's fabulous 4.5 litre V8, faster than a Jaguar 4.2 litre and proper stately home styling.

I have to say I don't need anyone's permission to like things or talk about them. I like machines. bikes, motorbikes and cars. And planes, and boats. It's all engineering and it's all fascinating.

Off topic threads and posts keep forums like this alive. It's a given that we are all into bicycles, fixed gear and single speed ones in particular. So there's only so much we can talk about there. To find common ground and make friends we have to talk about other things.

Now I'm so terribly sorry that some people don't like cars, but at the end of the day, I don't live to please them or anyone. If you want to rant about how all cars are the devil's work then the LCC will be pleased to have you.

suggestions for BRM

Rover 3500 (P5, P6 or SD1, they are all fabulous machines)
Jaguar XJ6