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I thought Unipack wheels had gold or blue rear hubs?

:P

but its light!

amen to that bruvva.
Me too.

The point is its not their choice. Its the shipping companies.

Yes.
Many couriers charge by the box.
Its probably £16 for a big box, so one or 10 hubs is the same cost. They don't do seperate rates for tiny boxes usualy. We have that at work for UPS. 1 rim or 15 rims cost the same.

You can't get Primatos in pink though, M7.

It must be hard being so full of hate.

I'm sorry?

they are made by Formula.

Okay, so they are still based in the UK and I got confused about that. In that case they must have just made their manufacturing process cheaper or summit. As you can pull the bearings out with your fingers (they don't fall out).

Why do I need to speak to BETD? I don't like their hubs, I don't own any, I never plan to own any, I've seen enough through the shop to know I don't like them and that they are crap. Irrespective of where they are made, how nice their customer service is, how friendly some guy called dan is. I really couldn't give a toss. I'm just interested in the components quality to price ratio, and on that one Goldtec fail, Miche fail, apparently suzue buget fail an so on.

I own alot of 650c wheels too. But that Mavic to Campag tub looks nice.
Hmmm....

I'm 99% sure spoks go for standard 42mm chainline.

yes.

wowza.
Thats alot. And 'only' on CXP30s

Edit: Or Hope :P

It is:

Formula or Phil
Easy.

miche: Hub body made of cheese, lockring made of cheese + italian threads makes replacements expensive, Nuts are crap, Axles are crap.

Formula: "ugly cutouts(if not condor), regular bearings, nice forged body, non hassle no tool required user replacable bearings, normal chainline, heavy duty axle, locknuts sometimes crack can be replaced with d-ace or any steel kind,
the only issue i see is the bearings....buy a phil specced for 12 a pair and be done with" Broken_777

Despite selling hundreds of Formula hubs we rarely see them with serious problems, or any problems that can't be resolved with new bearings. Conversely we don't sell miche products (cos their shit) and see a reasonably number of fucked and totaly fucked hubs.

Harry, music to my ears.

I thought you was deaf?

Fuck yeah.
No need to weld.
Woot.

^ why no fucking pictures?

In fact the minimum cycling speed in a cycle lane should be 20pmh. If you are riding slower than that go on the pedestrian path

Why do you go in the cycle lanes?
There is simply no reason to go in them. Unless of course a lorry has exploded and its debris is on fire and burning on every other part of the road and pavement.

for me, foot retention for fixed wheel use on the streets is like this from best to worst:

(BEST)
-Clippless (TIME FTW)
-New Straps like Jol, Holdfast, Pinzat etc
-Double straps + Clips
-Feetbelts / Powergrips
-Single Straps and Clips
(WORST)

New school straps (most types) are way better than any other kind of strap, but feel like shit compared to clipless. That said its nice to go out at night and not have to take a spare pair of shoes. So the argos shall keep its pink holdfast.

I don't know French, but in any case I haven't seen them

franticaly googles crap suzue hubs in new tab

Aye, they look shite.
But, my hatred of Miche is not off hand, its based on having seen bucket loads of fucked ones in general and at work. They just suck ass - along with most modern Miche components.

Glad to not disappoint.

the miche ones are nice

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Miche_Primato_Large_Flange_pair_of_Track_Hubs/5360040675/

and you can get them in black cos i've got black ones, not sure if theres an option for that on wiggle though

mine are also 36 hole....

Never has a more wrong thing been said.
miche are the worst track hubs available on the market by a mile.

...and out again.

I've found a felt S32 on the time trialling forum, but I think there is something at work thats cheaper and will allow me to test out my ideas. Oooh ha!