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Ride them, enjoy them, but don't spout bullshit that says they are ideal for London's streets. They are not.

Better than a front and rear 700c track bike with overlap and drops.
I prefer a lo-pro to a track bike on the streets please thank you.

it doesnt matter if its porn or not. Its rare and unique and probably worth a bomb.

even better!

I might be getting hold of a felt s32 2009 model frame for butters, and if my experiment goes swell, I might want to swap the dropouts from vertical to track.

The frame is made from 7005 Aluminium.

I was wondering if it can be done first of all (no knowledge or experience of Ally frames at all), and if so who and how much. Are there any UK builders building in ally?

Any help would be much much appreciated.

Good good then.

I'd say "don't confuse form with function", but given the lo-pro / risers epidemic, I'm clearly wasting my breath.

Or have never ridden one.

Want to test a theory.

a load of strangers, in a van, going to the netherlands. Sounds like the recipe for a mobile sex party to me.
I'm in.

Racist.

But yes. +1 (about the Phils)

Edit: I like Hope. I have 4 Hope hubs now. 2 Ti. Score.

The factory has moved to taiwan no?
Or am I confused?

Odd request, but I know they exist, and I'm sure some one on here bought one off ebay 6 months ish ago.

Basically I'm looking for a frame, probably of Time TrialT origin, designed to take 650c wheels front and rear. Ideally with a forward sloped TT. 56-60cm ST, 53-56 (effective) TT. condition and quality and dropout type irrelevant. Geometry needs to be upright, short wheel base important, as tight as humanly possible on the rear end.

Prefferably not too expensive, but if its lush its lush and I could be persuaded. Since its an off request am potentially willing to take anything with the double 650c wheels

Thanks in advance,

H

Me too.
Not that I've ridden them yet. But they are lovely.

You can't take the bearings out of a system ex with your fingers.
The flanges don't break as often
They dont cost as much
The bearings are as good if not better (goldtecs from afew years ago have ROPEY bearings).

But then I don't like Goldtecs. Well, not since they stopped making them in the UK. The UK ones were way nicer.

aeroheads are nasty.
Get Velocity Aeros instead.

Want

SystemEx / Formula from condor (no cut outs)
Better than On-One and Goldtecs and much cheaper than the latter.

^ that must get annoying. I'd get a catheter bag pronto. Or plastic pants.

fair enough.
Did you sort a stem for the special bars?

Oh. Ok :)

I think the lo-pro is better than the track bike for the environment in question. I really do. I'm just about to sell all my "track" frames off and just keep the lo-pro(s) and the road bike (if I ever finish the fucker).

650c FTW! I'm currently pondering going 650c F+R. It might hold the answer....

Isn't the secret new bar 26.0?

this makes me laugh

why?

The problem with pursuit bars for round town comes not because they make you too low, its because they negate the manoeuvrability benefits of the steep angled front end and 650c wheel (which collectively frequently negates problems of overlap). The main issue I've found with pursuit bars (based on a good few thousand miles on them - and using them now) is they are impossible to make sharp turns whilst in the pursuit bit of the bar, so you end up riding on the top / flat bit much of the time, which invariably slopes the wrong way for any degree of comfort or real sense of control. Conversely the riser bar, particularly with a decent backwards sweep, becomes very comfy as you are frequently falling on to the bar from a greater height and a steeper angle than you would on another bike (lo-pros normally being lower at the front and shorter in the TT (effective TT that is) than 'normal' bikes - their advantages IMHO)

Whilst many jump to the conclusion that pursuit bars are better for a lo-pro, it seems that most of the time this decision is based on aesthetics rather than performance (contrary to projected persona of those who make the arguments), and often by people who've never ridden a lo-pro. I think what many on this here forum seem to forget at times is that bikes designed for riding around London are by definition neither track bikes nor TT nor road bikes, and not MTBs. Other things come in to play, like being able to steer and see easily being two that don't need to be applied to TT bikes for example, or like being able to survive impacts with potholes, which road or track bikes don't need to do.

Riser bars may be criticised for being "hipster" material, but people use them for a reason, and its not aesthetic in its entirety.

Pursuit bars are great for longer rides and open stretches of road (and headwinds). But in all honesty for hacking it around town risers are the answer for lo-pros.

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TBF The Pista Concept also has agriculatural welds... That's life, my frendz...

As with the mash you cant expect Taiwanesse kids to smooth our welds. Its just one step far.