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Apologies Bonk, I misjudged you. I can imagine the torn emotions of the boys involved. 6 months of fighting the machine, to get some semblance of justice, or just shrug and roll away, writing the whole thing off to experience, and wondering what lasting damage could be done by pursuing the injustice. More questions than answers, I am afraid.

.... and hopefully your last.

Hippy, my good man.

I am far too modest to respond to God.

"Boss", "Lord", and "gracious Master", are more to my liking, my young colonial friend.

("Waves, and saunders away from computer with a regal air of gravitas.......")

Trouble is, Hippy, the word is out about using fixed for winter training to increase race leg speed, and now I have told my crew about the joys of Saaf and West drinks, the place will be soon infested with the vile triathlete creatures.

Corney, thanks for the photo tips. Another great night as usual, and happy Christmas one and all if our wheels do not cross over the next couple of days.

I was involved in organising a triathlon with my club Crystal Palace, and I think the advice was that single speed was o.k, but fixed, with any element of a decent desent, and curves, was dangerous for the rider himself, and for the other competitors.

Going out on the fixed with the tri club rides is a wild experience, as the free wheeled and geared colleagues have no idea what it is like to have someone cut in front on a twisty down hill, or undertaking at a roundabout.

Villa-ru, I have two original tyres from the Bowery, following my trading up with Scott not Scotts majestic rubber. not great, especially in the slimey wet, but better than a worn through slick.

Shall I bring along?

Cheers, all. I do suspect that the intake of alcohol played a part in some of the pictures. The really funky ones in Tron Broadgate, were after the charming young lady photographer (sorry, memory name fail), showed me how to turn off the flash.

It has been said before, but deserves repeating, that the whole event was a credit to the forum and the organisers, in making it such an inspiring night.

The ones with people either laughing or looking scared, were where I was shooting whilst riding, and just about to plough into tourist pedestrians, who were wandering around at the time. Fluff, if you are at South Drinks tomorrow, I have a micro present for your efforts in getting the shots out to the crew.

Dear Fluff. Tried to send the attached to you and Corney, but such is the computer incompetence that I do not think that it went across to the two of you. Can you confirm safe receipt if it arrives in a suitable state

Well done Fluff. How was the Emerald Isle?

What about the vegan cannibals? No one thinks of them these days, poor misunderstood and endangered minority. They were only trying to save all the cows and the little piggies...

looking to get some wheels built up, so start in the middle and work out. Not looking for anything too fancy, but then again, maybe Santa has me on his "good boy" list........

as there are more than 6 for both the 26th, and 27th, why not run both? I think a central meet up, then along the Thames poddle, sounds like the startings of a plan.

Well said Hillbilly; souths and alcohol restaint is certainly an oxymoron.

Away with the family for Boxing Day, but if there was "something for the weekend" then would be up for it big time. Hil Billy, can you twist Fluff's arm, ever so gently, to load up the London Lights pictures to the e group? The ones of you in Tron Broadgate are well worth a look.

Thanks for that Jaygee. What is it about the Coach and Horses, that makes it impossible to leave without being absolutely hammered with alcohol? Must be something in the burgers......

Fluff, did I leave the other disc with you, or was it Corney, when you had finished strangling him?

I passed over CD's with my pictures from the ride at South Drinks on Monday evening, to two savvy computer gurus, to load the details up on to the forum.

However, something about the excessive Guinness, has left me with only hazy recollections of who were the lucky recipients. Can you confirm that you have the discs, and when the pictures are up, where they are posted?

"I'll give yer Utopia"

Mandy. come down to one of the drinks, say Souths tonight, to get a better picture of the people on the forum.

I do not want to be nice to the old crusties ("Ayee remember the good old days, when there were only twenty couriers on the forum...ahhh, (sigh)... look what has happened to the world.." but they really are a very pleasant, generous crew, when away from their computers, and actually interacting with people, rather than hurling abuse from behind their screens.

A bit like Range Rover drivers, really......

Good thing you are not called Bishop.

Locked or not, it was nicked, so getting it back should be our main concern. PM your number G, or we will have no way of urgently contacting you. For example, seeing it outside, say, McDonalds in Mitcham, with no internet access, it not the best situation to find ourselves in.

Sorry to hear it. I am in Norbury, with some interesting bike enthusiasts (of other peoples bikes) in the area. Will get in touch if I see anything. Can you PM your mobile in case I see it?

Iam still fired up following the London Lights trip on Thursday, and would like to make a suggestion.

The Longest Day is in the middle of June, so how about the following;

The four points of the compass of London, mob up at say 12 mighnight at their local watering hole, on the Friday night closest to the Longest Day.

The South, West, North and Easties, then converge on the Brick Lane polo court, and have half an hour of banter, puncture repairs, and chain tightening.

Then each group is sent to the hightest point on one of the other "manors" to watch the first rays of the sun come up over London.

When sun sighted, each group then makes it back to Brick Lane and the obligatory bagel. I was thinking of suggesting that this did not become a race, given health and safety, and the lack of competitive instinct amongst the forum, but maybe that is a waste of time?

A few ideas why this might work

Allows for more than 50, as effectively 4 groups

Allows people to see a corner of London, which they may not know. Each "quarter" would be reliant on route knowledge and location information from the locals.

Marks the middle of the year, and if it was a quarter as good as London Lights, it would be a roaring success.

Over to you, forum.

Just copied my pictures onto CDs so will be bringing them to South Drinks tomorrow night. If anyone has a computer with them, then the whole crew can "Ohh" and "Ahh" at my lack of photogaphic skills, before passing them on to someone with the requisite savvy to make them available to the whole forum.

Sorry to say it, with the festive season in full swing, but alcohol can aggrevate the injury if you have a tendancy to uric acid and the gouty grind paste crystals in the joint. This can inflame the soft tissue in the knee and impeed recovery. Gallons of water, rest and TLC are the best.

Being driven to go back training too early is natural, but utterly counter productive; you are dismantling all the recovery that has been achieved.