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The people that I have known over the years who are additcted to violence, struggle with the consequences. Fighting has repercussions; physical damage both received and inflicted, criminal records, revenge, and self loathing.

Hitting someone with your fist or weapon is not a joke. It is the real world, as removed from video games and forum posturing as it is possible to get.

What do we teach our childern and colleagues when we condone this sort of behaviour?

This is not squaring up to a burglar or pimp, who is threatening our own safety, or those we love, but idle, adolesent threats that make the participants a laughing stock.

...............And really pathetic.

If you two were going to get it on, why splash it all over the intenet? I am sure there is at least one off duty Police officer amongst the members. PM each other, rather than waving your Louis Vitton handbags at each other over the forum

Talk............

Trousers.............

What are you two like?

OR you could just grow up, and act like adults. No, that is being just plain silly.

Lads, get out on your bikes, and grab some fresh air. There is room enough out there for all the inflated egos that have been on show for the past couple of days.

I thought bikes were supposed to bring us together, not to fuel such animosity?

@chi11i. If you measure across the axle ends, then ask the retailer to check the cup size. I am pretty sure most cups are around 17mm so they will sqeeze and grip the hub end bolts when you tighten the screw.... so to speak. Also, check that the threads are not too exposed, so the cups do not grind off the opening threads when you need to remove bolts for maintenance.

Alternatively, try and fit your bike to a friends turbo from the same manufacturer, and then ask if the cups are the same as the "XYZ model" you just used.

@Matt, well said on both counts. You win by a mile.

Considering how appalled we would be if a forumer laughed at someone because of their colour, creed, or other persuasion, the kitophobia just seems plain wrong, and worryingly ill thought through.

Matt, can I join you for a nice cup of English breakfast? White, no sugars, young man.

Most turbos have quite a bit of latitude in terms of the rear axle width, so should not be a problem.Only thing to check is what size are the cups, into which with axle ends will fit.

In fact, not having the rear deraileur in the way, and associated cables, will probably make it more simple to set up.

Enjoy a pint of Guinness for the unfortanate plastic Paddies left back in the smoke.

Julio is on the money. Scrutineers are the omnipotent gods of race day, and if they ban your bike, you have no where to go. I have let single speeds race on days I was in charge of transition, but Windsor is run by John Lunt of Human Race, and the London event is equally safety consious, and they will be thinking of the safely of both you and the other competitors.

You can rent a bike to start with, but I suggest you approach a tri club where members are constantly upgrading their rides, and looking to sell on the old model. £250 -400 will get you a working example, as you will need to train on it, and not just have it for race weekend.

I am a member of Crystal Palace Tri, but there are also other clubs just as friendly and helpful in and around London. With regard to the swimming, get a wet suit (buy, NOT hire) and hit Tooting Bec Lido for some 100 yard lengths that are as close to open water swimming as you will get in any city.

In short, triathlon is a great sport, with wonderful cameraderie, and a wide selection of abilities, but cheap it certainly is not. If you cannot afford to invest at least a grand on membership fees, race entries, swim pool entrance, cycling, swimming, and running kit, and either buy or hire a bike, it will frustrate the hell out of you.

@Snowy, you are always more than welcome, but will you please leave Jack Frost and other other namesakes at home?

Looks seriously slippy out there.....

@Merak, for motor bikes, it tends to be a bunch of flowers, and pictures at the nearest tree to the accident. This is a long standing tradition.

Not sure I follow your argument; we should not put up memorials, as the roads are too crowded?

Leave it to the families, I say. If it helps them come to terms with their grief, and with motor bikes, warn of what happens when we ride recklessley, then we should respect their wishes. Things that make us consider our mortality, and how the daily cares and dramas of our city lives are of little import, when faced with real tragedy, must be good for our souls.

@tom, Harr.M, one of us, who works at the shop, has posted a detailed note on the "private" section.

Right here goes, an attempt at posting another picture. But Matt is out, so probably will not work.....

Woof woof! There has yet to be an AGM of the Moser Owners Club, but speaking on behalf of the three inaugeral members, I think all genuine bike owners are welcome, as long as they can find the C & H for Saaaf drinks on a Monday evening, and can bellow as loud as Cornie during a televised football match... no, cancel the last condition, that is just silly.

Noooo not her again. I said she cannot join until she cleans up her act......

That is my lo-pro that I bought off White Flower a week ago. Have been getting photo lessons from Corney, so will try and add in another couple of shots, or is it bad form to post pictures of your own bike? Ah sod it, will give it a go.

Now that is an idea. Pictures of members track standing in the most unlikely departments of posh shops that hate cyclists. Any one for lingerie at Harvey Nicks?

Dear All

Hopefully this will work and the picture from the Coach and Horses will appear, as if by magic. If not, I blame my in house IT consultant...........

@Bill

Sorry for your loss, and hopefully the good wishes and condolences of the forum members will be of some comfort to you.

Harry, I bought White Flower's Moser, on Sunday evening, and it is as mental as a box of frogs.

First roundabout from London Bridge collect was Elephant and Castle, with feet firmly locked into toe clips. A wonderful pair of "track stand or die" moments, and was harder on the wrists than riding a race prepared Ducati, but now, I cannot leave the thing alone!

A lo-pro will have you smiling like an insane hippy (that's "flowers in the hair" not renowned Antipodean west londoner) and worth any discomfort that may ensue.

Go for it and get yourself down to saaf drinks to show off the beast when it is complete.

Folks, am I missing something?

O-o-langsters orignal post was a bit off colour, but does it deserve the rabid responses? I put it down to somewhat misplaced irony, but was it really that bad?

Also, as a Dad myself, that is one low blow which if aimed at me, I would take grave exception to. It serves little purpose other than being provocative and downright insulting. Dis' the builds and the bike preferences, but not the man's family.

Nothing wrong with a bit of arrowspoke action for the over 18's

Yeah, I think I am suffering from heat stroke after this mornings ride.

Other Moser riders; was that a homage to Ian Drury and "Hit me with your rhythum Stick" (apologies for the spelling.)

I wonder if o-o-langster was being ironic? He did take a pretty gruesome battering a few weeks ago.

Either way, beatiful bike, and would be great to see it staying intact, rather than split for parts, no matter how desirable they may be, and the urgent needs of other forum members.

Great to see the (frozen) hard core out in force last night. I will have a word with Matt tonight and ask him to upload the Moser Owners Club photos to the web site this evening. Corney, working hard on the photo skills, with your erudite advice ringing in my ears.

A lo-pro on black ice is a hoot, by the way......

Dear Corney

I'll be there, and hopefully with the lo-pro Moser if I get the chance to shorten the chain and get it sorted before heading into work.