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I don't hold anything against you other than the fact that you are clearly a bit of a snob, I don't need to prove you wrong, the statistics do that all on there own, one example of many for instance:

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/889199.londons_most_dangerous_streets_revealed/

Oh and I wouldn't live in Kensington if you paid me :).

A snob, that's a laugh.

Anyway this article you've posted satates that the westend has high robbery incidents. It is the tourist trap of London mate, what do you expect! as for residential area's are you saying tower hamletts, hackney, southwark and all safer and more respectible then K&C, H&F?

I work and go to uni in and around Bethnal Green and Beckton, there is a big difference in attitude and people's consideration for each other in comparison to the West.

Why wouldn't you live in Kensington? Is that because we're all stuck up ponses?

BJ is a twat, but he is trying to push some ideas through. rather then just trialing this left Red Light Turn Policy, he should be campaigning to on TV and radio about the hazards of cycling in London, such a HGV's. I'm sure if people were mad aware of the ill's of filtering down the left of a HGV, by say a graffic TV add, then hopefully cycling mortality rates would drop.

Also CJ, don't hold it against me that parts of west London are the safest area's to live in inner London IMO. I'm not accountable for that, it's just the way it is. Maybe you should live in Kensington for a bit and see if you notice the different in people and attitudes compaired with the more common hostile areas of LDN.

Although I know for sure there are beutiful places North, South and East in London.

Really?.......interesting. What I want to know is though, do you feel safer protesting in West London than in East, North or South?

CJ, Unfortunately I have to work alot and don't protest and have never done, but then I still quite young (i think). Protesting is fundamentally important to achieving a democratic society and so is policing, I'm glad I live in a country were people can generally protest in peace.

Police reaction and attitude to the public does differ in relation to the location and situation yes. I also think that the police are individual's as well and the 'normal' public and that like the public you'll get some wankers and you'll get some honest people.

The police are there to protect the public, yes. But when the circumstances change, say from situation on a high street to say a situation at a demonstration you will have said wankers trying to attack, abuse, antagonise the police. And when that wanker is backed up by possibly 'up for it' demonstrators, then yeah they can feel threatened.

Just for the record I've meet some really decent police man and woman. BUT I've also been falsly arrested for burgulry and then beaten the shit out of in a police van, black eyes and fractured ribs. When I tried to take them the court five witnesses (my mates) were insufficient for prosecution, becuase we were drunk.

Thing is, any Saturday night oustide a pub and that happened, you'd get 5yrs end of. These cunts'll squirm out of it

But this was not Saturday night outside a pub, it was at a large protest in central london with a planned route!

I was talking with a friend of mine who is a PC, who wasn't at the protes. So his and the laws take on the dead man situation is this;

The police are there to do a job. A job as the dominant force of the two parties (police and protesters), if the police are hindered by people in controlling the line of the protest walk then they can use resonable force . I would imagine the police told Ian T that he can't go that way and he has to go back, they would have shoulded this and maybe shouted it twice. Ian T didn't respond and move back, so he was pushed and was beaten across the legs with a baton, even though he was in no way aggresive or antagonistic.

Ian then has a heart attack and dies. If this happened to a younger person with a healthy heart, who wouldn't have had a heart attack them nothing would have been reported of it. I think there were much bigger inceddents at the protest like the guy with the blood gushing down his forehead.

When/if this Ian T case goes to court, the police did not use excessive force in this instance and nothing will become of it. Ian T was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and maybe he didn't respond quickly enough to the police's request.

I'm sure if any of us were on the front line right next to the police and they shoulded at you to get well back, you wouldn't hang around for a smack of a batton.

I'm not trying to justify the dead of Ian T, but as horrible as it is this country has these laws and we all (well most) know about. We can choose to follow them or not.

Personally I thik alot of laws are bollac's, and if i'm deemed as a criminal for the things I do, then so be it and I know there are conciquenses. I live here because I want to, I love it.

That looks like chaos. I'll be interested to see how it works. Yeah the Japanesse make it work because most people there are japanesse. At oxford circus you've got alot of ass hole tourists and stupid idots wondering arround.

Something does need to be done for that junction, but i'm pesemistic about this solution.

Footballers are generally regarded as being a bit thick........................

There's nothing wroing with being exseptionally talented at one particlular skill. Footballers are masters of space and dimensions. They don't even know they are proably.

It's like some artists or architects, really good at one particular aspect, sau depicting light and colour or abstraction. We don't say Stephen Hawkin's is shit because he can't walk.

It's the media who tell us footballers are thick and most people pray to the paps.

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Basically your looking for the ratio of protein and carbs per serving. More protein for muscle growth, more carbs for weight.

A nice alternative which I use is a banana & peanut butter milk shake, although the levels of carbs and pro aren't as high as purchased pro shakes (I drink this as weigh isn't great for the digestive system, I burb like a mofo).

One large glass of Soya milk Original
One large banana
One large table spoon of smooth peanut butter (large peanut butter tubs for a fiver from whole foods)
A drizzle of honey/syrup
A shake of cinemon.

Bland it up and it's delish.

chin chin

Take up smoking and spend your entire diminished life sitting outside the venue, like me

I'm giving this strategy my best efforts!

cool, i hope the rider is OK

QUOTE=CheBeef;625369]Point taken.

I do think my bike safer when locked up in the west of london. More concerned about the east, north and south.

Ha ! Are you serious?! Maybe if you feel it safer in the west of london you should stay there! Or, if you must visit the 'less safe' parts of London.. get a beater![/quote]

Yeah, a-wite bruv sand, yeah. sweeet as yeah.

Organisers (my sister) says I can bring my bike in to the gallery, yee-haa.

It's my only bike so I think I'll deffer leaving it unattnded. Although I'm trying toi phone the venue to see if I can bring my bike inside and lock it.

Not the best idea to advertise on a public forum where you'll be leaving your bike locked and unattended tonight, eh?

Point taken.

I do think my bike safer when locked up in the west of london. More concerned about the east, north and south.

I'm at a comedy gig in Bethnal Green tonight.

I've never left my bike locked up around there and wondered if it's worth the risk. I would take the front wheel and lock it to rear wheel and stays (removing seat and post), and lock it to a railing or post with a Kryptonite Evolution S4 long D-lock.

Is it worth the risk?

Also I was thinking why not post area's where you should be causius of locking your bike up. Say places of low, medium and high risk of theft.

Cheers.

Tragic, RIP.

The exact same thing happend at Northend Road/Talgarth Road junction about a year ago. Female cyclist went up the inside of a truck when it was turning left. She ended up under the back wheel.

How about some dust, with an added pinch of dust and a tiny serving of dust on the side!

Every Liverpool fan I've spoken to or heard yapping away says "aaahhh, we're concentrating on the league this season".

Really? So you are managing the club are you, director of football as well.......and what's that.......you own a 51% stake in the company! Oh really.....BOLLAX.

The LFC owners, board of directors and manager want to win all the trophies possible each season. like every club in the top four clique.

It's just a load of hot air for the fake scouse scum and a failure to amit two or three great players and a bearded Jabba don't make a season.

Well done vigilante. But law you should of tapped the guy on the should and told him to put down the bike and stand right there while you phone the police.........3 hours later.

By right you should fly-kick a thief, and if it's your bike mix in some d-lock love.

rep.

3-1 Chelsea! Woooohoooo!!!

Redshite cunts!

http://www.skysports.com/football/match_commentary/0,19764,11065_3122017,00.html

+1

I won't bet on Chelsea winning this game, Liverpool are really good in cup competions (and nothing else), and Chelsea aren't on song at the moment.

K.T.B.F.F.H

Two sting operations every month for a few months would be good ( a sustained opo for longevitiy). four men watching each bike all equipt with plasti-ties, to tie the offender to the railing/lamppost and put a sign on him saying "i've just been caught trying to steal a bike, kick me!"

Or just batter the sh*t out of him with D-locks.

Not sure about price but Service Graphics Ltd have the best printing machines in the UK. I used to work for them in Wandsworth. You'd have to phone them up for a quote.