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they're not ideal for London streets andy. absolutely not.

but they're a right laff.

my point is that some people might be riding them for reasons other than rpm's sullen assertion that it's all about wanting to look cool. the clown ride eventually evolved to thumb a nose in the face of all that shit. true - most of the lo-pro massive were too vain, precious or otherwise self-conscious to turn up but we tried.......

I couldn't care less what people want to ride, just don't try and justify it with practicality when it's clearly about looking cool.

And you're not a cool East London hipster, Phil, you are a dour, middle aged brummie with athletes foot and an overdraft.

i like lo pros. i like the look of them. i particularly like them when they've got tubing that curves somewhere on them. i wanted to build one and ride it and see what it was like. i did. the frame i eventually found in my size was flourescent pink, in columbus slx, and i got it for fifty quid. i got it set up right and with some good stuff and it rides great, really fast, really nippy, so much so that it's a fuckin blast and on top of that i think it looks absolutely awesome. It's great around town and good for thirty miles at least.

I suppose in a way I'm riding it to be on the money and in that sense for every person that thinks it's dope there are probably twenty that think i'm a fashion victim or whatever.. it's a shame cos for me it's about how cool the bike looks, i'm even aware i probably sell it short, with my age and lumbering size.

But what I'm not going to do for a good while is get bogged down in plain, purely functional fair and lust after the kinds of bikes that a section of this forum's old men from the south and west seem to deem worthier and more admirable than the ones being ridden round the east. Give me a choice right now between riding round town on a lo pro and riding round town on two grand's worth of a bike I consider boring and far beyond my needs - well, the latter for me is far more of an affectation.

he's right about what hippy? all i see is moaning. and not the sexual kind of moaning neither...

anyone trying to ride a 24" round town, them's the one's that are completely insane..

oh you're such an old man rpm...

there's a major Ozu season at the BFI / NFT this month.. it doesn't look like they're showing his best-known film Tokyo Story, probably cos they show it quite often anyway, but out of those playing Late Spring, Tokyo Twilight, Floating Weeds and The End of Summer are well worth it. Ozu is mostly about serenity, social observation and the family, beautiful films.

Kurosawa-wise there are epics, period films and contemporary dramas and thrillers. The contemporary stuff never seems to get mentioned when people talk about him on here so I strongly recommend "High and Low", which is a tense cop thriller, and "The Bad Sleep Well", which is sort of a corporate gangster thriller. Along the way you also get film technique that you just don't see it in films of that period and you realise just how much he shaped the language of modern cinema.

"Ran" is one of the most awesome films ever made and you should try and see it on a cinema screen.

I also think "Dolls" by Takeshi and "My Neighbour Totoro" deserve a mention along with the other good modern films suggested on the thread.

perfect weather, really.. get out there if you can!

nice one woolsy..

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right let's call this mother.. north side lambeth bridge, 1pm...?

where you based wools..? maybe it doesn't have to be the tate..

anyways i'm up for it even if the weather's not as calm-looking as i'd hoped..

yep.. if it's dry anyway...

I'm thinking tomorrow might be alright for a ride....

this advert really upsets me and i wish i hadnt seen it. how long before i stop associating ........ there.

yeah - sorry gerald. i really am, it was totally in my mind that i was infecting other good people with its bile.. it bugged me for hours today. awful, happy-to-be-a-pleb marketing.. awful, awful.. i'm sorry.

this is why people get abducted and tied up in warehouses. much more effective, sadly not the route everyone wants to go.

honestly thought Ray had done some extra work for the first 20 seconds... glad he didn't, this ad makes me want to kill every single person involved

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3veZJjvhzM&feature=related

"Cinelli Mash - Itchy Nob Rash... you've gotta have a system...."

I disagree. I think that Davies took the opportunities that stand up provided him and developed into something else. Nothing wrong with that. He may well still care deeply about the art of stand up but if he's found something else that he enjoys better then why go backwards. Personal evolution is a reasonable form of progression, I can't see a reason to criticise that.

much as i loathe Davies and his boyish schtick, i agree with your point... but bearing in mind the route he has decided to take it surely only compounds his irrelevance in a discussion about stand up nowadays.

@seldomkiller: I think by "saying something" I meant that whether there's a message or not, there should be some sense of the comedian's take on life, or comedy.. it doesn't have to be about a message and you have to be good to be able to be preachy at the same time, but the people mentioned aren't saying anything that thousands of people aren't cracking their mates up saying round the pub or the tv every week.. neither in their content nor in their delivery. It's been a long time since Alan Davies was a comedian.. he could possibly be seen as one of the first of the wave of people who seemed to have used stand-up as a leg-up to celebrity. If he cared so much about stand-up as an art or in his aptitude for it he'd still be doing it. Even Coogan felt the need to do it again recently, and he definitely never needs to prove anything again.

jesus, that was a bit of a long post. i guess i take comedy too "seriously", yeah....?!!!

i don't think there's a lot of life left in stand up these days. The best guys aren't on tv, or are on terrifically rarely compared to their stand-up work, but most of the circuit seems to be made up of people dying to get on a shit BBC programme. I've seen this russell howard and he's not particularly funny, he's just been allowed to think he is cos he churns out the kind of unchallenging, easy pap that serves as fodder for the kind of people who book tickets to bbc programmes. Stand up clubs have shifted in spirit over the last fifteen years to target and accommodate people who need a package - three comedians, two pints and a buffet curry for fifteen quid.. that's not going to make for discerning audiences. As the boom in stand up happened, so the clubs needed more comedians to complete line-ups, so the line-ups became less and less about people working hard to get a five minute spot in front of a harsh room of regulars and more about whether someone could get through ten minutes with people who were out on an office do. Even under those conditions I've seen some amazing people over the years but generally the result of the money machine is exactly the same as what happened in the States in the 90s.. leftfield material that is often just poor slips through the net to offer difference and there are more and more people whose comedy is middle of the road, bland, relying on widely-recogniseable associations which ensure the audience feel complacent and smug rather than attempting to jolt them out of being so. And it isn't that it's an old approach to comedy that just got dated - the few truly great comedians around still work from some sort of anger. I don't think Alan Davies is even relevant in a discussion about stand up but I find people like Russell Howard and Jon Richardson and all those other young guys who say absolutely nothing in their sets awful. They should be the guys who come on first to get the audience gently into the spirit of the evening, and would have remained so if not for the life-draining apparatus of TV with its desperation to appeal.

Stewart Lee is brilliant, as is Jerry Sadowitz if you can get to see him. Saddest of all to me is that Daniel Kitson has worked so hard over the last seven years to shape a discerning audience at his gigs that they now seem entirely made up of a fawning, Kitson-specific crowd for whom he can do no wrong. His sets have had the edge taken off them as a result. Saying that, he still makes most people look shit and in the right room on the right night he can still cook up an atmosphere of tension where you start feeling the night could go either way. I also recommend an Australian called Trevor Cook for walking into a three-act lineup, staring out through the office crowds eating their scampi and chips and making the vibe all his own. There's nothing enlightening about his material, it's just funny and honed.

I don't go enough these days so I'd be well up for any regular nights worth going to.

Victor2 you still interested or did you find something?

that's the great thing about riding with shins on his polo bike.. you can leave the ocnversation when you need to

225 quid for that rourke? ..with those shanky decals?!

Mine will be selling for 1/4 the price ( in need of a respray..)

there'll be mayhem if you sell that for £55.25 Prav, please say it'll be happening in the forum....

by the way got to agree with the others that the "satellite silver" frame is a nice Rourke and probably worth it even if they doin you no favours... looks like the road brother to shootthebreeze's sumptuous lo pro.

i might have some 170mm gipiemme somewhere that could be sold. let me have a root round and i'll see.

what length crank arm are you looking for Victor2?