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I'm in Glasgow! I just got no love for it:(

I prefer my old winter steed.

hhmmm did'nt someone on here (paul michael?) buy one f these to find it was the wrong size? i think thee is a thread about it......Help my neck and back hurts....try seeing if he wans it?

Ah cheers for that.

He got a 56 in the end!

Purchased from Pearson's, only got it on Friday.
Obviously its unused, therefore unmarked.
I don't like it at all, its not for me.

£290 posted or pick it up for £275:)

r u gon drop da price then?

I fucking hate text speak.

**Paul-Michel

**Register here it costs nada. https://www.wrenchscience.com/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=/Secure/Fit/Height.aspx?stylecode=R&stylecode=R

It requires that you create an account to use the fit system but it doesn't cost anything!

Take your time and have an assistant help you take the various measurements. It is a reliable source and will give you an individual frame size for optimum fit based on the measurements taken by you.

Its critical that you take them accurately. Have a run through it print off your results and know that you have a scientific basis for the frame size you require. We are all different so see what it comes up with and then look to get something as close to the size quoted as possible. Top tube length is the most important imo.

As the other bloke said its not the end of the world just take your time with the measurements:)

FFS - There is no 56cm left.

Not to worry matey they are very popular. Even if the shop don't take it back you will have no bother selling it on. If you sell it on flea bay it will probably make more than you paid for it :)
You can use the proceeds to get a 56cm 09 model!

www.bikeradar.com

Rode the beast home; my god why do mountain bikes exist? So pleasurable to ride. I was suprised how easy the gear was up hill. It won't be long before I up the ratio, I think.

One important tip, though, the sizing on Pearsons website is totally wrong. At 5'10" I was supposed to have the 56cm but it was massive! After trying on a couple 52 was clearly most appropriate so went for that. Guy was very friendly and helpful. They're a lovely little shop; its a shame so many of these local bike places have since closed down across much of the country.

Mark, will get onto BCD shortly.

Sorry if I mis understood this but you went to the shop to get it, you are 5'10 in height and you chose a 52cm?

At what point did you think it was too wee?

Fuck the world and everybody on this forum.

What a cock.

it's a joke, surely?

I lol'd.

After much deliberation and fannying about with a tape measure, decided to switch to a 54cm. Pearsons were very helpful, much more so than any of the bike shops I use near me. Pity they're so far away!

Are you sure about the 54? I'm 5'11 and ride a 56 I know everyone's different physiologically but Is a 54 not going to be too short for you on do you have a short torso with long legs or vice versa.

Geometry here http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?arc=2008&spid=32208
wrench science said I need a 55.5 top tube which is about bang on for me.

I'm just curious as to why you went for the 54> Top tube length? Bike sizing perplexes me!

The Goats

Extra stop on the way in this morning was to get more!
Loads of people cycled past too, which made me reconsider my stop and help policy.

Poor show that. I like to help folk when I can in an altruistic stylee. But, part of me thinks, ffs does karma exist?

Some amazing pictures on this thread. Mine is not but thought Id join in anyway.
I took my dog to the beach today, he had a ball, I was pretty cold though:)

White shorts are never appropriate. Bad form.

In fact some of the Assos kit is wild/colour wise....yellow bibtights and jacket a bit to much me thinks:)

The F1 insert for Assos shorts is pretty special imo. 100 miles and no sore bum. £100, worth it? perhaps not but I don't think they are so wildly priced against the likes of Santini Twist Gel etc.

Obviously if Assos shorts were £40 I would be happier but you get what you pay for eh?

I have the Assos Fugu jacket and would recommend it.

You flash git:) I wanted that one, bank card says no. 851for me............ in orange don't you know.

And as for Merak's response, that's pretty mature. I don't like those apples much, because the owner of said apples can't tell the difference between them and pears, it seems.

Tom,

Its clear this is somewhat of a crusade for you which is admirable in itself, but ultimately futile. Your stoic determination in the support of shitty white bikes being used as memorials to folk that have died whilst riding would be better spent lobbying your local council about more cycle lanes. If you feel that strongly about it. That really will make a difference, it may not save lives, but I can tell you white bikes will not make any difference!

I will not be lobbying my local council because as Ive said to you before we as cyclists take our chances on the road just as you do when you go for a walk in the park. You obviously like the white bike thing which is fine but don't be so naive as to think they are actually going to make drivers think about checking their blind spot or being more aware of cyclists.

Its up to you to ride defensively and be aware of the road users around you. You are responsible for your own actions on the road. Other peoples actions cannot be dictated and certainly not influenced buy an all white bike locked to a railing at a busy junction.

I am not an insensitive person, indeed after consideration and posting so much on the subject I feel I could be swayed by the argument of bikes as a memorial. I still don't like the term ghost bikes though or the all white thing.

The fact is though, and this is the point *you *seem to be missing, they are exactly that, a memorial, nothing more and will have no effect of the conscience of the average driver.

my bad. slopes off to kick cat

try searching the forum before telling peeps to fuck off.

Was a pun, you didn't get :(

That maybe because no one outside the cycling community who hasn't been directly affected by some one being killed on their bike gives a shit about the project, and loads of cyclists don't either. In most peoples eyes its just another thing. Just another petition. Just another campaign, just another chained up bike, just another grave. People just don't give two shits about it. No one I know who doesn't cycle, and even most of those that do (including me) don't care and don't want to. Its just another something.

Thats one of the reasons I don't like the campaign. The other is I think its ineffective and silly. But thats by the by.

As for wishing bad things to a person. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that thats how you feel. Its also made me sorry that I even tried to explain or help you out. If you are just a vindictive little crusader who doesn't give a shit about people then why the hell do you support the campaign thats all about a few people? My boss may not care about your campaign, but then do you care about every campaign? Ever been a little mean to a charity mugger? not cared about advertising that plays on a cause? Ever ignored or binned flyers petitioning for this or that or told your local labour caandidate to leave you alone because you are having your tea? Your campaign gets in peoples faces. They are allowed to hate your campaign for it. You aren't allowed to hate people who happen to have things like your bike or who don't give a shit. Thats life, and you are being uneccesarily nasty.

EDIT: Damn it, I wasn't going to get drawn in. sorry. I just hate this thing that these memorials are sacred and afford rights and privileges that nothing else gets.

+1 innit, how d' you like them apples?

One already exists :(
YouTube - CARL HOOPER - THATS AMAZING

Nice use of the multi quoting function

Indeed, kudos was going to reply but cannae be bothered. Ghost bikes are shit, Im out.:)

Actually, the war memorial analogy is quite reasonable.

The vast majority of people who get killed in active service made an informed decision to join the fight, an activity which will result in one side dying. I don't cycle with the intention that anyone should die, as I would imagine is the case with most cyclists, so if anything ghost bikes are less trite than war memorials.

Also, I appreciate the efforts made by the people that served in both World Wars, but they are not the only wars that these memorials commenorate. The fact that you only mention WW2 is interesting, as I didn't. I've seen memorials (mainly in churches) for campaigns which were little more than displays of might during the period of the British Empire.

And ghost bikes will, if they become more common place, save lives. They remind cyclists of their vulnerability, which may stop some gumby from trying to undertake a lorry, which is a life saved. They also remind motorists that cylists use the road too, which might make someone check their blind spot better, which is another life saved.

I resent the suggestion that cyclists should have to "take their chances". Also, I dispute the suggestion that a ghost bike it a memorial; they are no more memorials to dead cyclists than lighthouses are to dead sailors. If people wish to remember their friends at the same time, sobeit, but I think that regardless of any cyclists' wishes regarding memorials, the dangers to cyclists should be made visiable in some way and I think that ghost bikes are an elegant solution.

Tom,

Your argument is valid and I don't have any beef with you at all. Im not acting the cunt here. I do however think you are being naive.

No matter how many ghost bikes there are it wont save lives, in fact it may even cause more deaths! Motorist checks out the ghost bike not looking at commuter on lhs, crashes into him, dead, how ironic!

You do take your chances on the road.

Merak, I think you're missing the point

When I saw a ghost bike for the first time in NY few years back it was my curiosity that made me go up and inspect, to see what it was all about. When I read the plackard and understood it's purpose it really made me stop and think about what happened. I looked around, looked at the road, traffic etc and really tried to understand how the guy could've been killed in such a drastic, needless way
It's purpose is to just raise awareness, make people realise that cars aren't the only people on the road and hopefully drivers can see the bikes and acknowledge the fact

With respect, no I'm not missing the point. I totally understand. I just think its a dreadfully trite memorial to dead folk, that's all.