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good roads, good hills, good company, a good ride. purple_mj out descending at a truly frantic rate...made me laugh. legs a blur. Also at one point i looked over to andy and thought 'i didn't think he was SS' only to realise that his chain came off. composure all the way and it seems into the finish line.

and certainly some strong new riders out there.
cheers all.

i'm out. knee's still hurting and i have to work late. sorry guys.

the trick is to put yourself in the middle of the peleton... going off the front could be a problem as well.!

a small group this evening. could mean that we're more prone to attacks from bears. hmmm...especially if climbing slowly...

i'm not going to come along this evening as i forgot TRNC... but happy to offer services if you need some help to look at transport options to solve the issue. seems like you've enough skills / people attending tonight.

only two extra bmmf? slack.

anyone racing in the brompton world champs?

No, but British Cycling have, and I assume LCC and CTC. I'll be on the BC stand (so come and say hi), and we'll be making an effort to push kids towards clubs and facilities in their area - though there's little scope for adults.

not targetted at jc but people really don't get what cycling is about. people don't want to race. it is not abotu clubs, racing..etc. it is the fact that we haev a **serious **problem called gloabl warming therefore we must get people on bikes. it - in transport terms - is the only way to really reduce emissions. freewheel is helping that.
all the cycling specific clobs have a niche but that is always goin to be that. not mainstream. cycling is trasnport and it helps our society. if we set up a stall we might as well be skyfixedfor lonon.

. i agree olviver ltcc do a great job with new ideas.

zed is a nodder.

and when you are riding high in amsterdam through richmond park, which is full of tossers, make sure it is a brompton.

were you taking drugs in richmond park? hence you thought it was full of tossers??

you;re annoying.

me too. anything that stuffs car traffic up and i'm up for it. bring on nodders and bring on freewheel

calling people nodders is not arrogance it is just a stereotype. alas they are normally true. people who have just started riding are a) clueless b) clueless. therefore they are nodders. we all understand what we are talking about like hipsters, twats, facists...etc it is not the actually definition that we are worried about it is the common knowlegde that a community has built up over time.

top speed of only 49 ed? i did that on the a10 before 8...:)

I'll be going with my nodder girlfriend and nodder friends. :P

are any of the nodder friends cute?

And yes, ideally, as the LCC came up with the idea to do this in London,.

sorry oliver. but that is rubbish. lcc do some good stuff but this is not accredited to them

it' not your fault that your bikes were stolen.
not being able to use the search function...well that is your fault.

see-mi was just an example of a simlar solution to fresnal lenses that goes further if you put more resources to it. i see problems in the system as well but fresnal lenses are no where near as good. my point is that (i think) we are campaining for more resources to be dedicated to solving the problem...

i agree with seak's point - we need to come away with a clear message. then push on it.

what are we trying to get out of this? i assume more resources dedicated to this problem and not just lip service form dft / tfl / boroughs / freight industry. i see from lushes post the solution 'fresnal lenses' will help....i'm spetical and sounds like bit of a media stunt to me. at a couple of quid each it is not really a intregrated apporach to solving the problem. also research in denmark (serious about this problem) showed that a good % of accidents were asscioated with driver being unaware over being unable to see. potentially, it could be argued that these are good 'media spin' items which are cheap. and more serious solution would be http://www.see-mi.dk/ or similar. are not we arguing that the solutions proposed by DfT / TfL...etc are not good enough as the problem is growing?? therefore they need to dedicate more resources - and the message it 'what you're doing is not good enough so try harder...cyclists are still being killed'

1. K-tee - construction industry and policy
   
2. Ufrasia - Media, Lobbying.
   
3. Greasy - Admin for Ghostbike.uk and CycleSafeLondon
   
4. Skully - AV post production
   
5. Pistanator
   
6. Libi - Media
   
7. CrazyJames - Photography, with contacts in web design/graphic design/branding etc available if needed.
   
8. Multigrooves - Cycletrainer
   
9. Damo
   
10. Georgieboy
    
11. Twist305 (apologies) - Citizens Advice Bureau head office
    
12. Digger-Cycle Instructor (apologies)
    
13. Velocio (apologies) LFGSS, CycleSafeLondon
    
14. Wicksie - graphic design, printing, anything to help, make the tea if need be.
    
15. tomiskinky - Graphic Designer
    
16. Chang - Graphic/motion/web/digital design i've got alot of mates that work in marketing/PR could get some media coverage.
    
17. CheBeef - Work at Law Firm (litigation)
    
18. havingamare - photographer
    
19. loftypavement - student
    
20. williamshatnerpants
    
21. Aroogah - IT Services Exec - commercial, strategic, legal
    
22. CHUG_IT (won't be there but..) Barristers of the highest level
    
23. LdnGrrl. - Lots of free time, will help in any way needed
    
24. nuknow - Graphic Design
    
25. Fox - (can't do Tues, could do Wed) marketing/campaigning/PR/lobbying experience
    
26. ftony (apol for mtg + not much free time but...) geographer (access to maps, journals, skilled in spatial analysis etc)
    
27. villa-ru - currently unemployed with plenty of free time and prior experience of herding cats
    
28. G_A_Z - Film Editor
    
29. Ade - Exhibition / Event/ set design and build (access to AV/lighting/sound equipment if required )
    
30. chatters
    
31. Wannabe (apologies) barrister (including crime / road traffic)
    
32. JimboJones (apologies) political campaigning, PR
    
33. Oliver Schick (LCC)
    
34. Tea_bee
    
35. jurivacanze1984
    
36. big in the game - safety engineer
    
37. Timmy
    
38. GA2G - security design (not so useful here though)
    
39. Seak - transport campaigner, media, direct action and 'non-heirarchical meetings facilitator' (e.g. Camp for Climate Action type wavy hands stuff)
    
40. Chats - Media trainee and cycleophile
    
41. Ode. Project Manager- Prince2
    
42. Sparky - Cycling journalist & has space on fourth plinth coming up
    
43. Emilia - copywriting and minor campaigning experience; cycle courier
    
44. Anna
    
45. Fred - agitator
    
46. Kipsy - cartographer (not much use here, can help with 'free' colour laser printing/large format plotting, any other grunt stuff.
    
47. Debra - cycle campaigner
    
48. Dasmiller - design
    
49. texas - transport planner
    

[QUOTE=andyp;953755]Knog lights are shit. this is not a Fact it is just some cyclists point of view put forward rather strongly. fact.
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if you want i can help out and collect some facts beforehand. what's the issues, what's been done, by who....etc. I work in the industry (transport planning).

depends on interest really. may help as provides context to situation . though i'm happy if people want a more 'organic' dicussion.

Experience shows otherwise, but I'd love to think that could change.

I'm not being "snobbish" about this, some people have got the wrong idea. It's not a "freewheel" it's a SKYride, Sky want to basically "own" all forms of cycling in Britain, this being the publicity stunt that they have assimilated from the two previous years.

It cost a hell of a lot of money to publicise this, and the other rides attached to it, meanwhile girls are dying in the street under lorries, riders are being maimed and killed by missiles thrown from cars, commuters who can't afford any other means of transport face danger on a daily basis, children from inner city areas have nowhere safe to ride, and cycling facilities all over the country are fighting tooth and nail to stay alive.

Whilst I agree with and support something like a closed road circuit for a day, from where I'm standing it can seem like a lot of hypocrysy, much like critical mass which seriously dents the integrity of any protest that might and should take place.

I not sure about this. some facts are incorrect. girls arn't dying (it's people). most cyclists are actually quite wealthy and poor people tend to drive more. also, improving cycling is not just about investment in sporting facilities, and reducing the amount of missles from cars...etc. everything is interlinked, you never know one of the people who propels missles from cars may also decide that they will try to cycle ride and therefore learn that having things chucked at you is not a good idea. These kind of events - **although i f.hate the corporate crap **and agree fully with the post above on this point - do encourage people to cycle which is good. Investing money in local clubs may be a good idea but many of these facilities have been poorly managed and only now that you are seeing a general increase in cycle, are having more attention paid to them.

oh yes - further to my earlier post in canada they have a weekly closure that has three grades of closures for cyclists - novice, middle and advanced routes...! to cater for all markets.

i think this is rubbish. (though i'm supportive of anything that encourages cycling). good idea shit implementation.

they've been doing it every weekend in columbia since the 70's. paris does it everyweekend as well.

http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/ciclovia/

http://www.paris.fr/portail/deplacements/Portal.lut?page_id=9109

why do we need corporate sponsorship to ride traffic free on the streets? it's as easy as putting some plastic cones up to get rid of traffic. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_steel[/ame]