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I went to a great exhibition in Prague about 8 years ago called "Shaping the Great City: Modern Architecture in Central Europe, 1890-1937" (to be exact!); it looked at the inspirations behind the design of 'modern cities', and what they hoped to achieve, in places such as Budapest, Vienna, Prague.
The artwork and drafting was amazing, and all the pictures of the cityscapes looked so appealing, but all you had to do was catch a bus 1/2 hour away from the exhibition hall to see the grim reality.
A utopian city would I think, like a utopian countryside, be one that allows complete freedom of movement in all areas for all the people therein - obviously not a possibility.
I would love to see a city where private car access (inc. cabs) was not possible/allowed, only public transport, freight, bicycles and walking.
It would be interesting to see what it would be like, whether it would be peaceful and clean, or not, for example (there would certainly be less aggression I think, once you get rid of the car-owning schizophrenics who turn from mild-mannered people into screaming hit-and-run merchants once in their bubble)

i agree on the comments about dressing up urban architecture. drawing pretty pictures of utopian cities is effectively what architects did in the cities to sell us housing commission flats..... until grassroots activism challenge them.

best example of change i've seen is Bilbao in spain. used to be crap industrial city now they are trying to turn it around by banning cars from old city, building trams to new areas (where there are no cars), and making spaces nice to be. They also have a f.cing great new buidling.

not really.

'shared space' people are pushing users to mix but i feel that cars and people really don't mix. one is in a steel box and the other is not.

why? seems strange given average speeds in london well below that so doesn't make much difference.

also costs a sh.it load of cash to implement.

Given posts in car appreacition thread thought be interesting to post on how you would design a city....

I think that public transport, cycles and walking are a good things and cars are bad - in the 1960's architects tried to plan the opposite and this was rubbish

they implemented this concept to a whole city. Brasilia. Apprently they never get any congestion it is a city prefectly engineered/designed for the car.

i and a couple of mates could be keen on this but what time are you thinking as have to work later on?

Why didn't you say something like that instead of just telling people to fuck off?
What response did you expect?

i agree i wasn't probably the most diplomatic - a example of why you don't go to meetings at work after consuming numerous bottles of wine. apologies for telling people for f.ck off but my other points still stand. but are also not relevant to this tread given the diplomatic name change...

sounds good to me. but i'd prefer to bring the house

in the new year?

Ah, is that the cause of all the problems? In that case... problem solved.

sorted. i'm going to find a picture of my car and put it up now.

Cycles are a form of transport and a sport but the majority of use in london is for daily use (around 500,000 people use them every day in london last time i did a club run numbers were not that high). Now with projects like velib (in paris) they are defined as a public transport system

is this not a thread entitled 'car chat. For chat about cars'

i put my opinion in the ring about cars. as when i chat about cars generally i talk about all the people they kill, all the noise they make, how they are a pain as they get 40seconds of green time whereas pedestrain get 7secs (priorities), how the governemnts budget is about 80% given to roads and 20% public transport, how drivers generally get frustatred as they are slow and other people get in thier road.....etc.

i really don't like them. and the good thing about the culture of fixed is that it is couteracting the culture of cool (that car companies spend millions on) that cars have created around these usless machines. this thread so far (although i haven't been through it all) is the opposite.

this is such a low degrading tread. it is everything that cycling is against.

dreaming about cars and the marketing for them.

i'm really surprised there is over 20 pages of this shit on a fixed and ss forum. weak.

seriously, fuck off and watch top gear like the rest of the clowns out there.

this is such a low degrading tread. it is everything that cycling is against.

dreaming about cars and the marketing for them.

i'm really surprised there is over 20 pages of this shit on a fixed and ss forum. weak.

i think just write it with a pen on forehead - 'GET OUT OF MY FUCKING ROAD I'M MASSING FOR JESUS ON CHRISTMAS'

or a t-shirt sounds good as well.

dura-ace is much more than a sticker over 105 and campag.

anyone that says otherwise rides 105, not dura-ace.

yep - this is always a good idea. a slow ride after all the food/booze of christmas.

• if there is any anger all we have to say is 'fuck off cunt it's christmas'
  

how old is the bottom bracket? will you sell it without the cranks?

£16 but it has pearls sewn on it.....it is from a very worrying fashion era

i think skullhead is right.

20 mph, a heirachy of users, integration not segregration.

who is advising the mayor / boris on all this stuff ?

I think that this is the way things are heading ....

but does anyone know of good examples of any city / town doing this?

bored at work

yep really want one.
now that i've said it it is on the christmas list - lets hope santa come through

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training for what though? if you just want to improve fatness and get some miles in then the best thing is to hook up with club runs, like dulwich paragon that go from crystal palace.

not sure if 'improve fatness' is a misspelling but definitely a valid question, are you in this to improve fatness or fitness?

if it is fatness... just start riding - dulwich paragon cafe 9am on sat am is a good start.

if fitness - you should by a turbo trainer as training outside for next few months is tough. it may also have a training programme included....

can i please take the drops