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For summer socks with elasticity these are really good. Available in white.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_vteJsp

They’re a little thicker than most summer socks but that’s fine for the UK and (being super-stretchy) they don’t bunch-up at all.

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Talking of Pacenti ...

Exam LX17 might be worth a look.

Tougher and heavier than a TB14 (which are really nice). Better than ADHNs though I think.

I think Surly frames are Taiwanese.

New thread name. It had to happen.

Of course with 650b you don’t need that long top tube to maintain a steep head angle...

(runs for cover)

Yeah the fact that many gravel frames have high reach belies the fact they are to be set up with less stretch to the bars, relative to road bikes... because big tyres.

They’re the opposite of timetrial frames.

Apologies for ruining the thread.

I didn’t help by saying...

‘more room to move around’

... which sort of implies a longer position.

It’s a shorter, wider body position, less head-down.

More stack for sure. Not more reach generally. A shorter stem and wider bars.

Wait.

This is true.

We’re definitely not :)

You want weight further back for off road (relative to road) and some more room to move around.

im talking about weight on the bars, saddle and pedals, not the wheels

I’m afraid one leads to another.

From a fast road position? Does not compute. How are you going to maintain your arbitrary 60/40 with the same effective ST angle and the longer front-center of the gravel bike? Are you going to lower the rider over the front end?

Moving from road to off road positions usually become less static because of different terrain. That’s reason to look again at all your road measurements. Of course a good starting point is probably your road measurements on a frame with some further possibilities for adjustment.

You want to rotate the fit. So a slacker ST is a help (all else being equal).

A lot of people go for wider bars so shorten the reach for that also.

This stuff becomes difficult if you’re only using stack and reach measurements. But you can also measure a saddle point - hoods etc.

I doubt it. This will depend on their personal finances (amongst other things) and that varies widely.

There’s little chance an Ali express alu frame from a no name seller will be straight, properly face and in tolerance. Quite a few from Cannondale, Dolan, Kuota etc aren’t.

Campagnola

Sounds delicious.

Whilst I’m dunking ... there’s something very sad about the ’international cycling club’ bit.

It’s a pretend cycling club :-/

“inspired by sitting in front of a spreadsheet on a Thursday thinking about getting all suited up and riding my boik on Saturday”

You’re spending enough for good after sales service so yeah (unless you’re going to get into rebuilding wheels yourself) go for a hand built from someone who guarantees their work.

Sounds like you’re quite particular about weight. I’m not sure Hunts really weigh what they claim. I expect these do. DCR and JustRidingAlong are good too.

Sigma is fantastic.

I agree. With only a little guilt.

I don’t think it’s really constructive to blame Ashley. He has been ‘successful’, working within the law.

I really do think there needs to be debate about the effect that zero hour contracts have on workers financial security and wider society.

It’s got to the point where if you don’t utilise these contracts you’re at a major competitive disadvantage. A government with a spine could change this.

The typesetting is equally as offensive.

Head west of Birmingam and Shropshire has endless dreamgravel.

spaghetti junction

I drove over it this morning. In the wind and rain. The mix of animated advertising and StayHomeSaveLives DriveInTheHardShoulderYouPussy and COVID-19 testing demands (for foreign travel) made me feel like a right replicant.

Not ideal race tyres but 30mm Jack Brown Mile Munchers are nice.