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The really sad thing is that I have been contemplating going fixed again as I'm going to be in London for at least another year.

I use other forums. other bike and production forums. Never been bullied into a corner by extremists before.

I don't want to tar everyone with the same brush, but its fucking hard. There is such a strong bias here. Heaven forbid anyone suggest that there are other options. And as for newbies!!

25 years of cycling. First time I have ever been put off.

Ok,
From you're posts, it seems you've never ridden a fixed gear.
Note, this could be a misreading.
Is that right?

I have previously ridden fixed. I don't currently and have not for some time.

My understanding is that there haven't been any leaps of technology in relation to fixed-gear bikes for sometime now. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Mashton got hit by a car, and has titanium in his arms. I'm guessing any grumpiness in his posts may stem from that.
So what's your sob story?

In fact, I don't care. It's sunny so I'm going outside, for a ride.
see ya.

I'm not down. read the my other posts

Good point Prav.
And there is not one racing driver/rider EVER that has intentionally gone around a corner with clutch in.

Same bike same rider same ratio flip flop ss /fg same corner same conditions.

Anyone tried it?

First three insults in this thread:

sheep shagger
fascist
cunt

all from the same source - you.

Dodgy ground now.....you assume they were all meant as insults and have assumed other comments towards me wernt.

How can you claim to know mine and others intentions?

at least mashton has a reason to be indoors.
I came back to find this thread, after a day spent in a library.
same deal today.
Best weather we've had for ages, think I might have to go riding, and leave a bit of revision.

And I don't? you know nothing about me. do you know why you know nothing about me?

you been too busy with your presumptions. This started out with mashton and myself but others have jumped in throwing abuse at me, picking on the minority. same old same old

Yeah I did.
You're doing exactly what you mocked, don't you get it? That's about the dumbest thing I've seen/ heard for a while.
Why don't you come on a ride and enjoy the non-internet side of the forum (which IMHO is better by far than the forum cos people don't get so fucking aggro all the time)?
Oh yeah cos you love the (faux) anonymity of the forum too much, oh well.

YOU miss the point.

There isn't anonymity on this forum because of the localization and certain threads.

Basically Iv'e been told that because I'm a newby I'm lame and my opinion isn't valid.

The cornering thing is a valid point but unfortunately their is an extreme bias on the forum and people have resulted to insults and intimidation in order to defend that.

Why then would I want to go on a ride with such guys?

That, torpid construct, is lame + stupid.

Call it what you like.

So, lean forward.

Come on hippy, your the only one so far to switch there brain on for this debate.

do motorcyclists, f1, tour car driver put there foot down on the accelerator to gain more traction through corners?

They brake before the corner and they don't put the power down until they can put it on and leave it on.

And yes I am aware car tyres can aqua plane in the rain.

If you have to correct your self in the corner then you got it wrong. The idea is not to get it wrong, fg or ss.

Appar, he was ANALPLEASER, with a total of 1 post or something! Lameness.

IMO

You know what the real beauty of this particular forum is?

It's so localized.

Now let's just imagine we weren't on an internet forum and this was happening in a pub. Imagine someone having to come to your aid and pick you off the floor.

this was way more fun when you were rising to my childish comments :(

no rise, just playing you.

i wasn't talking to you.

My bad

sorry

If the theory is that a bikes wheel holds the road better when being driven (pedalled in this case) rather than when it is freewheeling then surely this will negate (some of) the weight placement theory?

If its wet then you need to get more weight over the back to keep grip for the same level of torque in the dry. I personally feel the weight = downward force is more important at the front to assure enough traction.

i tend to think that anything that gives you more control over the bike is going to aide your cornering under any conditions, wet or dry.

whether or not a fixed gear improves your bike control depends on your skill level.

other factors such as frame geometry, tyre choice, and rider position will have much more effect.

in other words, blanket statements like "singlespeeds are better at cornering in the wet" are incomplete.

Maybe you didn't bother reading my other posts.

I dropped out after gcse, but if you ride fixed, you can skid around the corner so that you are facing the correct direction earlier and further back on the toad, which would presumably be safer (if this makes any sense)

I got kicked out before my GCSE's. I appreciate you can skid round, some can't though. I'm not convinced as too whether its safer. I'm pretty sure it's slower though.

I understood that handling is better if there is power going through the wheel, rather than coasting. If so then this would affect your theory.

can you elaborate on the handling is better if there is power going through the wheel?

I can't imagine my legs separated from my body. I'm not going to try either.

Drive chain action can effect traction at the *front.

*I adjust before the corner so i don't need to during the corner. Its safer that way I reckon.

Your aviator pic suggest that you ain't got much experience of corners ;)

If you coast through the corner in the wet you are less likely to disrupt the traction. It is easier to get weight over the front, though some claim that they can do this as easily while pedaling. Each pedal stroke transmits forces to the rear. They are not as consistent as coasting.
If theres oil in the road say a prayer.

Then theres defensive and offensive cornering strategies. If you don't know the corner then you will perhaps be a little unwise to go hell for leather at it. other things to consider are crest and apex. does the corner go down hill/slope down after the apex? serious loss of traction will happen at the transition. if it slopes up after the apex or during the entire corner then I would have more confidence in traction.

would the bank of a velodrome be considered a corner?

For the purpose of this discussion I would say no. Cornering on a road is quite different.

There are always exceptions * have to add the disclaimer before someone finds a picture of a banked corner on a road and posts it up.

Okay this thread has been piss funny and I don't want to stop the bickering but here's my question anyway..

When cornering, don't you adjust your body weight through the corner to keep the bike up?
If this is the case then it doesn't matter what the pedals are doing as the majority of your body weight is in your 'adjustable' torso/head area. Does this sound reasonable fizzsucks buffs?

Another thing: Linked to the rear wheel via a fixed drivetrain gives a better feel for rear wheel traction and also the ability to make minute adjustments to rear wheel speed without brake pad/disc/whatever use. So, if you were an adept fixed rider could you not be faster through wet corners, etc. than when freewheeling?

Just some thoughts.. address and then get back to the ranting please you lot.

Love,
hippy

The front wheel is the one that matters in the corners. If the back goes you can hopefully deal with it, but the front, well it's too late. Either fixed or SS I wouldn't recommend braking in the turn. Set your speed on approaching the corner.

not if you where in the front seat

With "crash" in your username I think I would be inclined to agree with you on that one

I'm 17, so we could be gay lovers if you like. I'd love to be your bitch. I'd do onything to show you how truly sorry I am.

Anything?

I'm afraid your not yet of legal age for the kind of friendship i got in mind for you

But riding fixed (with decent cranks) means you can pedal through corners
= bike travelling faster.

"balance" is irrelevant - far too miniscule to factor in

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Trackion and downward force over the only to things to be in contact with the ground are very important. especially the front. IF you were to apply lots of force to your peddle strokes then the load will be carried to the rear wheel. But maybe you have the front wheel as your drive wheel on your set up then of course disregard this.

why am i such a sucker for trolls??

i've not made any assumptions about you, and i started out being plenty diplomatic, and you just insisted on taking my advice and throwing it in my face with some undergraduate punk-lite rubbish about "i don't conform to what anyone thinks and i don't take orders from no-one".

a basic forum concept: if you want people to respect you and your opinions you have to earn it. mashton, wayne and aidan have been on this forum and around social events and rides long enough to earn that respect from other forum users. you, my friend, have not earned it.

so if you're going to behave like a rude prick that's your prerogative, but your time here will not be enjoyable for anyone.

You can't leave the stereo types alone can you.

What makes you think I want your respect? You must have an over inflated ego to presume that everyone seeks your respect.