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on me way now.

lovely evening for tt and a drink !

1) MA3K
2) velocio
3) pistanator
4) andyp
5) murtle
6) dmczone
7) hoops.
8) a1astair
9) gizmond
10) fluff
11) bluequinn
12) zed
13) skully
14) big red
15) dangeruss
16) balki bartokomous
17) buddha fingaz
18) damo (p-plates)
19) spins
20) yeh731
21) stevo_com
22) hermes
23) dicki
24) alockett
25) bsblokker
26) markyboy
27) stompy (texmex style ribs).
28) GA2G
29) jacklamusica
30) fitzy
31) marcom
32) joe + geraint.
33) mia..cooper
34) shoots
35) crispin mygaylover ;)
36) ondine
37) wools
38) kirth
39) cliveo
40) edscoble
41) trip
42) hillbilly
43) deluka
44) kyle
45) tex
46) mania
47) wibble
48) middleofnowhere
49) marcus
50) aleksi
51) chebeef
52) polybikeuser
53) serk
54) jogger
55) joe smith
56) ronnald macnastie
57) Oliver Schick
58) sweaty
59) braker
60) johnny fitz
61) wilbur4th
62) AlienMo
63) ppleasebob
64) BenJam
65) Ray
66) owenreed
67) Reginald
68) VinylPimp
69) teddy
70) d14vd_h
71) Vinylvillain
72) alexnguyen
73) town
74) dovatron
75) tika
76) Theteleflorist
77) hoonz - how the hell did I not see this until now?
78) Mann1e
79) Library Music
80) somebody (plus or minus three friends).
81)
82) bsyndrome
83) selim
84) Fox
85) emab
86) buzz lightyear
87) Ross
88) Breadnbutter
89) Zane Chaos
90) atanz
91) Beanpie
92) mattty
93) letrekk
94) dj
95) Cosmonaut
96) atk (alex)
97) joelounge
98) rob.ert_parker
99) okwithmydecay
100) Lookathisguy
101) londonslgss
102) jase_n_tonic
103) Metrocammell
104) party_paul
105) lardboy
106) ive2dogs
107) Plug One ( Plus about 4 Bristol Riders )
108) Kevinsays
109) Djm
110) Iwelumo
111) Ricky2Slicky
112) T4NY4
113) D. Generate +1
114) hael
115) AlexCoco
116)Jaydeeshanti
117) Bridgey Again
118) Gwyn
119) Mark the Tw@
120)catacaillou
121)soeasy
122)Pman (Paul)
123)Jake
124)arnold gostron (±2 others)
125) Lyes888
126)LndBoy
127)chris punk
128)wintermute
129) Frankie_J
130) R_dy
131) Oh My Goodness
132) The 4th A55A55IN
133)Yap
134) tomoh
135) Sasmon
136) jrphayes
137) Squash
138) miskathecow
139) Soul
140) mo_mo
141) LurKing
142) blind dan
143) last caress

yep definitely a tt wednesday with tt weather.

hey pajamas et al,

they put a toots and maytals album (best of) on the jukebox. awesome eh ?

.... after all the persied meteor shower peaks tonight.

i will be there - but later.

some awesome collisions. the artwork is not bad either.

Is there an alleycat this year?

lets hope so.

my team won prizes last year.

nice one laura et al.

good to see mike at the meet last night. (let us know if that ride round town is happening.

and good to see all the others (you know who you are).

the night of the full moon, the fox and the zebra.

and i did norths to easts in 24 mins. also fixed.

so last night i did easts to norths in 28 mins. fixed.

i will be there laters

Riding from Jamaica Road to London Bridge I had a nice chat with a chap on geared bike (he also rides fixed). He said to me that one of his friends is on the forum and is obsessed by it. So which one of you is it?
I didn't get his name but I told him my forum name and he will be informing you of the pleasant comute we shared together.

it is me and my mate is rob.

sounds like i missed all the fun.....

well done you guys.

i am gonna try and get there.

yeah but the peds are drivers.

**Our Polo
**Which art in London,
Hallowed be thy game,
Thy Championship come,
Thy League be done,
In Hackney as it is in Peckham.
Give us this day our daily throw-in
And forgive us our missed passes,
As we forgive those who T-bone against us,
And lead us not into tap outs,
And deliver us from punctures,
For thine is the court,
The mallet and the disc wheel,
Forever and ever,

POLO!

i like this poem.

good luck with the tourney.

i will get down at some stage.

I'm not a late mover! But after seeing this.... indeed watch this space.

you should get on it dude.

but i still think the solution is for everybody to travel less.

thereby taking pressure of the transport system (and all its associated problems (death and destruction)) full stop.

have a good one.

There is no credible evidence that articulated bus operation puts cyclists at greater risk than operation of rigid buses. Proper research is required to get a broader picture of what is happening. The LCC would certainly wish to form a position on better evidence, but right now the picture is indeterminate.

Some background:

Operationally, as every bus person will tell you, articulated buses are far superior. They have less dwell time at stops, they have greater capacity, are faster, quieter, and (counter-intuitively, except at some junctions), they cause less congestion than smaller PCV units. (Congestion is caused primarily by uneven speeds, e.g., stopping and starting, and queues of shorter units clear more slowly than queues of longer units; also, articulated buses actually take up less road space when moving than two shorter rigid buses owing to the need to keep distance between vehicles. They do on occasion block some tight junctions, which is quite visible, but does not massively change the overall picture.) Apart from trams, they are the most efficient urban people-movers overground.

Somewhat obviously, it must not be forgotten that cyclists have always had problems with buses, and that all kinds of buses have advantages and drawbacks for cyclists, so that of course articulated buses have them, too. The main thing that cyclists tend to find frightening is when an articulated bus slowly closes in on them. However, anecdotally, complaints about buses by cyclists appear to have gone down massively since the introduction of articulated buses, which we attribute largely to much better driver training (work to do still, to be sure, but it has got very much better). Shorter, rigid buses tend to be able to overtake cyclists quickly when pulling into a bus stop, causing greater alarm, and there used to be many, many complaints about that sort of behaviour.

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The reason why the urban myth developed that articulated buses cause greater risk to cyclists is because in 2007, under Livingstone, TfL released an incomplete set of raw statistics about collision risk in response to a question at Mayor's Question Time. This proved to be a massive own goal, as the impression was given of a greater risk to cyclists from articulated buses, and that was conveniently distorted in the press.

I don't know if anyone has done a proper analysis (we've certainly asked TfL to do this), but what would be needed would be:

• Collision and mileage data would have to be available separately for high frequency bus routes (which tend to be under articulated bus operation now).

• Data is needed for the routes that are now articulated before they became articulated. (Not just data on any old high-frequency routes.)

• There was no data given on the absolute numbers of collisions with other bus types. Same route or not, that would also be a useful comparator.

• A qualitative analysis should be done using more detailed information. Articulated buses tend to cause different problems than rigid buses.

• Analysis of whole routes or in terms of distance is crude in the extreme and should be complemented by a look at individual locations and potential collision clusters.

• As for 'subjective' versus 'objective' safety, I grew up where there were almost only articulated buses and I don't find them 'scary' at all. I've been used to riding around them for a long time. There is always the threat of the new. The statistically relevant aspect is to what extent their comparative rarity and novelty might influence people's behaviour around them.

• There was no comparison between Central, Inner and Outer London. Relatively few articulated bus miles are accumulated in Outer London, but a significantly higher percentage of miles for relatively few non-articulated bus routes are gathered there.

So, while there were some things we already knew, without proper comparisons we can't really put them in context.

Referring to the data released by TfL in 2007: The total number of reported collisions involving bendy buses from April 2006 to March 2007 was 1751, of which 64 involved pedestrians and 30 involved cyclists. For cyclists, that's about 2.5 a month, in all London (not, of course, forgetting that reporting of collisions is generally inadequate, but it's the data we have). It is quite clear that the number of collisions with pedestrians is particularly low so as to be statistically insignificant, and that the number of collisions with cyclists also doesn't amount to much. The real problem is the much higher number of cyclist collisions with cars and the relatively small but highly dangerous number of collisions with HGVs.

Still on the 2006-2007 data: The total number of collisions per million bus miles (itself a very crude measure) was 153.17 on articulated routes, of which 5.6 were for pedestrians and 2.62 were for cyclists. (Non-articulated: 87.04 of which 2.6 for peds and 0.97 for cyclists.) These stats look alarming but in light of the above are not very meaningful at all. It is turning them into percentages that removes the problem with the small sample size and suggests statistical significance.

So, in summary, there is a dearth of research. We would of course very much like collisions to go down even further, and as far as I'm aware they have, but there is in fact no evidence basis for claims that it is critical for cyclist safety to remove articulated bus operation. In fact, it obscures the real problems.

Anyone who's interested in this stuff is more than welcome to join the LCC and its Cycle Planning and Engineering Committee.

Oliver
LCC

nice one oliver.

keep it real.

Hm, I don't know, something like this?

nice one.

but there is a long way to go yet.....

hillbilly for example is on 34 pts and has only entered 2 stages.

so if he won all three remaining stages he could finish on 94 pts.

which may well be enough to win gc.

are we going to see a late mover ?

well you just gonna have to watch this space......

i think it is fair to say that blue quinn is attacking and the gustav is under pressure......

next stage is 26 august 2009.

it remains to be seen how many friends each rider has.....