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I can understand that you're upset about the service or lack there off that you have received but in general (and don't take this personally) I get a bit sick of people complaining on this forum about bikeshops all the time.

It's Brixton this week it was Brick lane bikes last week (granted they are shit) and it will be Condor again next week. All this along side regulars like Evans and Cycle surgery....

Even mosquito got slated by 50x14 just because the guy in there looked at him wrong.

All these personal complaints are just very 'in the moment' and not really represent the greater reputation of the bike shop.

Just to say that my sole complaint was that there was a notice in my face saying do not take bikes into the shop. I find that ridiculous if you want to show the staff what the problem is, If it was a cubicle OK.The fact that the staff ignored me I was not remotely concerned about although there are those who open the door and invite you in. No wish for OK status.

I'm still laughing at dogsballs as Suburban Stormfuehrer nummer Ein!!! So funny . . .

That's what I paid for my blue one's at Cavendish

Bob Wackson

Bob Mackson

aroogah got 1 too.

post scriptum

Just cos cnuts are two-a-penny, doesn't absolutely mean that everyone is one.

Also Jos, he makes regular trips to his motherland, if indeed he doesn't stock them now. PM him.

http://www.veloriders.co.uk/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=3 might be worth a go too

Thanks for that, one I didn't know.

Humming Brian mashes fast

Not sure about that, He stopped me breaking my neck instead of my collarbone!

hehe selling my Dolan, Litespeed frame, Shamals and lots of old campy bits, running out of room.

If it's split up (shame) I'll have the bits! Frame too big.

No I'm not deserting, just wondered if there is a RB forun remotely as good as lgfss, as I want to off-load some road frames and complete bikes in their classifieds. A bit bored with flEabay.

Got both on different bikes. Might be the components, or my imagination. but 3/32 feels fractionally smoother. I don't believe that there is much strength/durability difference. 1/8 is a YBN chain, 3/32 is Sram, both evenly tensioned using MKS chaintugs.

Having a cheap(ish) week, building up my HEd tt.

Great work! What next, Paris, Tokyo,Singapore?

Always 175.

Typical of you 50/14, a cheap 50p top cap stolen off a £59.99 Halfords showroom display full suspension mountain bike.

It's Campag carbon fibre and cost £10 You libeller! You knew I'd rise to it, didn't you?!!!

It gets a bit confusing when you get into effective seat-tube height on compact frames.

Like I said before, the seat-tube measurement is sort of irrelevant.. I actually remember reading a comment from Robert Millar to the effect that he just used to supply his set-back and seat-height to his supplier. I reckon that although the seat-tube length will have an impact on how rigid the rear triangles are (smaller = more rigid), the top-tube length has a much greater impact on the ride.

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That's why my intuitive method of measuring from lowest pedal rotation to top of saddle works for the seat tube for me.

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P.T.F.E tape (plumbers tape) should do the trick.

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Everyone has already given a lot of admirable advice, and I have learnt also whilst reading the replies. I'd just like to add that a) it is not always easy to translate the manufacturers scale diagrams to the actuality of the frame, and b) manufacturer's standard method of sizing the Seat Tube, for example vary. As a corollary to this, I can verify that a 54cm seat tube sized BMC, Cervelo and Pinarello are entirely different dimensionally when tested in riding. I've not tried Cinelli, as there are no distributors nearby.