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What options have people here pursued for a degree qualification later in life when they have a pretty demanding job?

I did a Maths degree (Bachelors) with the OU many years ago (2005-2012). All whilst working full-time and becoming a father.

You can get it done in faster than 6 years but it depends on the course and the dependencies, usually 4 years is the minimum time possible for a Bachelors degree.

I took 8 years to do mine because I wasn't in a rush and did an extra couple of courses that I was interested in.

As others have said it's about ~£22k at the moment for a typical Bachelors degree with the OU (some courses will be more if there are materials or other requirements). No problem doing it from abroad. Go to https://www.open.ac.uk/courses/fees-and-funding and click the "Change location" button and you can select the country you're in.

How much workload it is depends on you and the course. For my Maths degree I already had a reasonable grounding in Maths (Further Maths A-Level) and had done some 1st year Maths with my existing Comp Sci degree.

The OU does say:

"One credit represents about 10 hours of study. You’re awarded credits after you successfully complete a module – for example, a 60-credit module awards 60 credits."

So they seem to say that a 60 credit module (effectively half a year of a degree) is ~ 600h. Which is bonkers. For the typical time between start and exams that's about 16-18h/week. No way I did anywhere near that.

I did pretty much the bare minimum to get through mine:

For the first year modules I'd rattle off the assignments (4 for a 30 credit module) in under 2h each, often without reading any of the material beforehand. I'd start with the question paper and, if stuck, look through the course booklets for the relevant stuff and smash out the answers.

So for a 60 credit worth of 1st year module(s) I'd spend 16h doing assignments (8 assignments at 2h each) and then a bunch of hours looking at past papers in the weeks before the exam. So probably 25h in total.

Second year it probably went to 3-4h per assignment, and a bit more time looking at past papers, so probably 50h in total for 60 credits worth of modules.

Third year it was 4-5h per assignment and quite a bit more time on past papers. Probably 75h-100h for 60 credits worth of modules (most 3rd year modules were 30 credits each).

I recognise that I'm an outlier here. I have a natural affinity for Maths so had to do less work than many others.

Most of the time I'd start the assignment the night before the last posting date, smash it out late into the evening (starting at 11pm and finishing at 3am wasn't uncommon), copy it out more neatly, photograph it (as a backup), stick it in an envelope and then post it the next day (getting proof of postage).

Occasionally I left it so late I had to do it on the actual deadline day and then cycle it round to the tutors house to hand deliver it.

Obviously things are a bit more modern now and electronic submission makes things a lot easier (especially if studying internationally).

If I did a completely different degree (I don't know, Geography, Sociology or Psychology, etc) I'd be needing to do a fuck load more work each week as I wouldn't be able to just blag it so easily.

If you have time to spare then it's easy to fit it in and isn't that much of a burden.

The odd thing about the UK undergraduate degrees is that they're way more expensive than postgraduate degrees:

• The 3 year (4-6 years in reality) Maths Bachelors degree with the OU is ~£22k
  
• The 4 year (6 years in reality) Maths Masters degree with the OU is ~£12.5k
  
  

You can't just jump straight into a Masters degree though. Some will be very hard without suitable grounding before hand, there may be foundation options to help bridge the gap, but a single year of undergraduate study before starting the Masters will bring the costs up to the same as a full undergraduate degree.

Any idea what you'd be interested in studying?

tl;dr is that it's quite expensive (~£22k) and takes a long time (4-6 years) but it's doable with a job/family/life.

(Also I paid about £4k in total, including a week long residential course in Nottingham. Absolute bargain. Would have carried on doing OU courses but the course fees went up from ~£750/full-year to £3000/full-year and then to £7000/full-year).

Be happy that £184k in and only £425k out, plus the rent (minus costs/insurance/maintenance/etc), over 24 years is a pretty poor return on that money given the hefty CGT bill they'll have.

I've never been asked to, but that's not stopped me.

Asked to start or asked to stop?

Has anyone on this forum NOT had a wank in a hospital?

Nope. The luxury of WFH (Wanking For Home) and delivering it within 60 minutes.

Handing it in at the pathology counter in Kingston Hospital the receptionist loudly stated "ooh, it's still warm!" much to the mirth of the other workers there. But that was probably mostly due to it being in my pocket during the number 85 bus trip to get to the hospital than anything else. No pocket leakage though.

Why should I be doing paperwork when someone else has fucked up?

That's how it works.

You go through your insurer. They chase the insurance company of the people upstairs or chase them directly if they are uninsured. Either way your insurance means you should be guaranteed to get a payout for it.

Of course your insurance premium will go up because you're more of a risk, even though it was someone else's fault. Plus you have to notify any other insurance company of the claim, and possible buyers if you sell your property in the next 5 (I think) years.

It's all better than having to pay for it yourself though.

They are just the two categories of "Large" services.

Much of the act applies to small and medium services.

See https://www.ofcom.org.uk/siteassets/resources/documents/online-safety/information-for-industry/illegal-harms/summary-of-our-decisions.pdf?v=387523

It's a ballache "just using it". I've never considered the deed poll route though.

I use the shortened version of my first name and so a load of records (birth certificate, NHS) use the full first name, most of everything else (passport, driving license, bank, work, etc) uses the shortened version.

I have to jump through hoops for various things:

• I have to admit to an alias on DBS checks (for work and for volunteering with kids sports clubs)
  
• Covid time was sometimes tricky as NHS vaccination records wouldn't match my passport name (some countries had automated systems so I was booted into the slower manual process)
  

Perhaps joint liability as a condition for all members of the forum is the solution. Signing a binding agreement on joining of the forum for amny incidence which would transgress the legislation. Not only does it mitigate Velocio of the risk but also keeps everyone on their toes knowing that they are responsible for everything that they post.

Not really. Even with this in place it does nothing to stop a troll from joining, giving false information, signing whatever binding agreement is necessary to be able to post, and then doing everything they can to cause the site to fall foul of the act causing maximum hassle for everyone involved (including Velocio).

Avoiding the "giving false information" point would require everyone to have to submit significant documentation to prove their identity, and this would need to be held somewhere, which is unworkable for many other reasons.

That, as I understand it, is the biggest concern. It is very little work for someone to do something pretty much anonymously that can cause an imperial fuckton of problems for the person/people running the site.

(This has always been the case, but the OSA makes the possible consequences several orders of magnitude larger.)

Do we get our money back?

Mutu's case(s) were still rumbling through various courts 14 years after he was originally banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Mutu#Breach_of_contract_issue

For everyone saying "just ignore it" are you willing to underwrite the possible significant losses if it isn't just ignorable and something actually happens?

If not, I wouldn't bother suggesting "just ignore it".

Yes the answer, boringly, will be in the details of the individual contract the seller has with the EA.

They need to be especially careful if the potential buyer has had any contact with the EA on this particular properly since it was listed.

They didn't google it. AMP is a google project. The domain of the original link is ampproject.org. The URL is just wrong and therefore a 404 is served, which just happens to be google branded.

It's quite easy to see what the original link should have been:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0el3r2nlko

(AMP links are yet another scourge of the Internet. Google: why is amp bad and educate yourself.)

It happened in September, he's been held there ever since.

I guess the mum reported it very soon after getting back to the UK whilst the lad's holiday was due to end a bit later.

https://archive.is/BIiNN for those that don't have a subscription

Don't waste yours or other's time on it. Just ask him for the evidence and assume there is none until he presents it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c878p3l93rqo

9 years for asylum hotel rioter...

I really enjoyed answering the "any other medication" questions one time when giving blood ~10+ years ago. No place to hide in one of those mobile vans and people trying not to smirk when I explained that Mebendazole was for bum worms.

Luckily I have almost zero shame.

Or, get it popular enough that loads of people join and then start to ratchet up the fees (a la Uber). Some people will leave but many will stay due to apathy or the effort to move elsewhere.

There's an obvious follow-up but I lack the Potatochop skills.

First day where part2 wasn't obvious/easy.

Chugging along, but doing them quickly in perl and then forgetting about things. Will redo in golang at some point over the holidays when I'm off work.

Any "Hi!" (and a long pause) I just reply with https://www.nohello.com/

Otherwise I just ignore the "Hi!" and go back to what I'm doing as if they'd never sent it.

I mean... a disgruntled shareholder who was unhappy that during his tenure the share price had almost doubled? suuuure.

Brings new meaning to the term "market cap".

9 years ago I was talking about a rewire. Things move slowly in this place. Link contains picture of ours: https://www.lfgss.com/comments/12890236/

We're getting ours replaced. Existing thing is from the 80s and has an entire 3 bad flat on 5 circuits. Relevant bits from the quote:

"
Replace the existing fuseboard with a new 10-way 18th edition consumer unit with all RCBO and SPD protection. This will provide 5 spare ways for future additions.

...

Wylex NM1006LS 10 Way Consumer Unit with 100a Main Switch + Type 2 SPD
"