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You know theres a corner of leicester square thats actually W1?

I believe you

Hassan, N4 is islington no?

Or haringey?

EDIT: You just beat me..hackney/islington in N4? really?

Wait. This is an invitational for the top 5 boroughs, right?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23795670-teenager-dies-after-knives-and-bats-brawl-between-rival-gangs.do

how fun is that?

Dude. Bow Bloodshedders is an awesome team name. Although Im not sure Id want to be in the IUD gang.

Oh. Yeah. Tower Hamlets is going down. Especiallly once Ive convinced James Brown to move his boat into Hackney..

two prong freewheel tool anyone?

pretty please?

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&um=1&sa=1&q=two+prong+freewheel+tool&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0&social=false

I can bring one to downham, unless you want to stop by here on the way?

Downham, in, what time? 12? 1?

1. Todd
   
2. Gabes
   
3. Snoops
   
4. Morgan
   
   

I thought you were keeping that secret so everyone else goes to newington? Downham for 12 (polo time), which means 1..

Personally I find it a bit weak for the last hit of the ball to be a shot as it's just pandering to existing rules and seems like some kind of halfway-house compromise.

Exactly. The existing rules essentially say "shot + deflection=goal".

If we decide to disallow a wheel flick goal that starts as a shot, we're going to have to invent a rule to decide that the deflection was intentional, because shots that deflect off wheels are currently legal.

Part of the disallowing balljoints rule was that it wasnt a clean hit from the end of a mallet. Neither is a radball style flick. If youre suggesting we start allowing shots that arent hit from the end of a mallet, thats a definite change to the idea of polo.

;1205138']Remember Jack from Sick Buckets and his concept of bike-to-bike?

Dont forget Max's concept of off-the-ball contact..

surely that is the idea - to find a date everyone can make? otherwise our criteria for choosing teams is down to who is available on the one chosen day!

you mean instead of our criteria being who put their name on a list on the internet two months ago?

[/being a dick]

exactly, your last touch could be 10 yards from goal, then flick it in with your wheel within a yard, it would be very hard to be able to remember what your last touch was. As that would be asking too much of a ref I would rule it a goal.

So youre suggesting that if I hit a shuffle all the way across court slowly, and it goes in, its a goal, because it was too hard to remember my last touch? What about the move that goes "hit shot slowly, then lift tripod goalies mallet"? Is that always a goal, because its too hard to remember the last touch? Even if you thought that was true, the ehbpc rules were very clearly "in the event of any doubt, its NOT a goal". Unless youre Malice :)

Its only a goal if it comes from a clean shot. Anything else is a shuffle. I tend to think that if youre good enough to pull that move off, youre good enough to know which end of the mallet you used, and honest enough to admit it, but if not, its the ref/goal refs job to be watching play and call what they see.

or "you cant stop a goal by using your hand intentionally (unless youre Dale)"? Hmm. Fair point. Youre right. Intention can make a difference.

I think we're generally against intentional body-ball contact in any form e.g. kicking, catching, etc. But intentional bike-ball contact has always been allowed e.g. blocking, so we're really only debating intentional bike-ball scoring. If we're all agreed that a wheel is not a mallet, then to count as a goal it must first have come from a shot, not a shuffle or ball joint, which makes it a deflection. Unintended deflections have always been goals, so the only issue is whether intentional deflections can count as goals or not, and I'm inclined to not introduce intent unless we have to (ie, dont make it more complicated unless theres a good reason).

However, as you also pointed out, our current league rules (and the ehbpc09 rules theyre based on) do prohibit intentional deflections. Have we ever used that rule for anything though? Were we trying to prevent Radball? I know we talked about it at the euros refs meeting, but I dont remember where that came from. Bill? Ray? If its a rule we've never used, and nobody else plays with it either, maybe we can think about losing it for next season?

shot is a shot,shuffle is a shuffle,
a deflection is a deflection... purposeful or not this is still the case.

**a goal is a goal if the ball passes the line, unless it was a shuffle from an attacking player. **

+1 to all of this. Why do we keep arguing about intent every time? Mallet to wheel contact is still illegal because this has nothing to do with "using a wheel as a mallet" (unless you want to start arguing you can only score with the thin end of a wheel). What matters is the shot vs shuffle of the mallet. Everything else is a deflection. Maybe thats intentional, maybe not. Its irrelevant, and its not necessary for referees to be constantly judging intent.

Number one rule of making rules: don't make rules you can't easily enforce.

Exactly.

What if you use a ball-joint to get the ball on the disc-wheel and then pop the front and flick the ball ?

You cant score from a ball joint. A wheel is not a mallet. Therefore no hit=no goal. But Ill buy you beer if you can do it..

I started with the tutorial on the GadgetLab blog and have made about 6 pairs, improving them every time.

You mean improving the design? Those look a lot neater, with a flagstitched end, but its hard to tell from that picture what else is new. What did you change?

Congratulations

Trust the Velcro. Ill be "rocking" a pair of these as soon as my 50mm velcro arrives..

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/make-it-velcro-speed-straps-for-fixed-gear-riders/

Im naively hoping for some slightly less ghetto sewing though..

Well done London, you are all winners.

Except for the beards. You are all losers.

Good. Show those barriers who's in charge..

Its all up to yoda . I mean yorgo.

Lesbians to the Kitchen..

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=10181

£5.99 and will be in N1 soon. Do I get my beer now?

Any hints as to what is in the sale?

50p says theres some discount white SIDIs...

Hah! does that mean you'll be back to fixed asap?

Seriously, whose idea was brake levers? Im supposed to use my hand to stop? How retarded is that? I still cant feel my fingers.

Were they all the Chukka? Sweet. You rock.

That was a fun day with some really good games.

Nice work on destroying that charge wheel, incidentally...

Awesome day. Despite the suckfest that was my first proper freewheel outing. Hopefully normal polo will be back soon.

TURN THE BIKE...