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Yes, motorcyclist do want to ride in bus lanes - petitioning as we speak.

In my view, unless a convincing case can be made that there good grounds to keep them out because of proven risk, it is foolish to needlessly antagonize another group of road-users.

Bill, can I come with you to the next one of these "make people argue on the radio" things and punch the person they set up on the opposite side of the debate?

:-)

i still need some peeps, i'll steal german boy.

He's my bitch. Hands off.

I think Buffalo Bill was on 5live last night talking about this, around midnight talking to Richard Bacon. He made some good points!

Thanks. The other guy was an idiot. At one point, he seemed to be claiming that bikes have a greater environmental impact than cars. I lost patience with him and told him that he ought to look at the evidence before he started spouting.

Where's the evidence that this would be a bad thing? I haven't seen any.

Oh yes.

That was a truly horrible crash - as I remember it, the finish was slightly downhill, so they might have been going 70 km/h, maybe even 75 km/h.

Of course statistically it's HGVs and statistics is the only numerical measure we have. The problem being of course that just due to their size that even a small mistake can end in tragedy and the reaction of a large lorry is so much slower. I don't know if the statistics are corrected for the proportion of lorries on London roads compared to cars how the accident rates compare (not death rates just accident rates). This does not take away from the fact that lorries are the single biggest killer of cyclist on London roads.

Lorries are 14 times more likely to kill... oh, have a look at the HGV/cyclist tab on the Moving Target site. There's heaps of links to stats and studies.

This thread is unbeleivable:

how can none of you correctly identified the most dangerous (ie kills most cyclists in London) vehicle?

The rain didn't stop! Not even after me and Rakan had little 'rain rain go away come again another day' huddle.

Thursday?

HTFU!

A london messenger did a night ride to Camber Sands with his lorry-mashed frame over his shoulder - and then threw it into the sea.

I rode with my track bike (the whole thing, wheels bars c/set) from my flat by Columbia Road to London Bridge station over my shoulder (didn't want to twosie for fear of puncturing the tubs).

If you put frame protectors or pipe lagging on the tubes, you should find that the braze-ons don't bother you so much.

hey curryers, go back to movingtarget :p

Isn't half-term finished yet? Or are you too cool for school?

Hold on have I missed something here?? Bill plays polo now?!

Well, apart from a brief sub last Sunday, I haven't played bicycle polo for 15 or so years, but one is never too old to try something new, is one, Yorgo?

I am in - if it stops before 7pm. I am sure it will!

Yeah! Cheers Dave.

Can I add up? Nope.

I did 22.3, but I reckon that Winspar nobbled me.

i got told off, patronisingly, by a paragon rider for not letting him form an echelon. i was cycling too close to the edge of the road.

we were going at about 13mph on a social ride, so i told him the odds on us achieving a coup de bordure were pretty remote. he shut up then.

Haha!

Riding faster than Buffalo Bill.

Well, that makes almost everyone a show-boater, doesn't it, then?

You wouldn't ride so fast with my pump in your spokes, tho, would you now, eh?

Oh blimey. Riding off the front, excessive climbing en dansant (out of the saddle, dancing on the pedals) - general showing off.

enlighten me too: half-wheeling??

Riding side-by-side, as on a club-ride, the fellow next to you pushes his wheel ever so slightly in front, thus forcing you to increase your pace so that you can continue to ride alongside. As you pull level, he does it again, and again, and again,

until finally you scream

CASPAR YOU HALF-WHEELING BASTARD

and push him into the nearest ditch

is this done with the knowledge that the rider behind is overtaking, or in oblivion, thus shwoing bad technique?

Well, it's even more out-of-order if it is done deliberately and results in a crash, but often is done to put the following rider off.

More usually it's unintentional. The king of the switch was Abdujaparov (sp?).

I once got told off by a VCL rider at HH for 'double-switching' - no idea at all what he meant.

Switching = changing your direction whilst some is trying to overtake, with the result that the following rider is forced to swerve and/or brake.

Oh, do be quiet, rollenger.