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Yes, I know, Bill. What I meant was, when exactly did his EPO usage start? He worked with Conconi in 1992 and after, but when did that relationship start?

I would guess it must have been sometime before the 1990 Tour. The way that he rides away from LeMond to win the stage to Luz Ardiden looks highly suspect, viewed with hindsight.

I love how we've come full circle on chukker.

"We"?

Suppose I will have to submit my own proposalnext year. Meh

Indeed.

The EPO era started in around 1990, but it wasn't widespread, that came in the mid-90s. The first Tour where it's impact was felt was 1991, when Indurain, Chiappucci and Bugno all got on the podium.

I've no doubt Indurain doped, but it's unknown as to what he used and when, and I doubt that'll ever come out as the appetite to tarnish a Spanish sporting hero is lacking in Spain.

Not unknown, Thomas Davy testified at the Festina trial that the Banesto team was medically prepared.

Best bike polo court in London.

Also, would both of those dicks who tried to sandbag Hemlock by ranking us below ThunderShafts like to put £50 were their mouth is? This game is tomorrow.

You know who you are. Dicks.

All mouth & no trousers, eh?

FYI 12:30 is not before throw-ins!

Depends what day. There wasn't 6 at Downs until well past 12 on Sunday.

Is it worth having a list of willing refs?

There are mixed opinions on this. Some people, myself included, are happy to watch a team game and support the league on a throw-in night at a throw-in court. Traditionally we try to avoid playing league games on regular throw-in nights, but it depends. For example, if a NE team is playing, then sometimes there won't be enough for throw-ins on Tuesday unless the league game is at Mitch. So we might play it there.

+1.

Where's rick? We need this to be the oldest list in polo.

Better a has-been than a never-will-be, I always say.

Are we making a list for this Sunday?

1. Bill
   
2. dt
   
3. ts
   

Let him make some money from books and after-dinner speeches. But enforce a lifetime ban from any role in professional cycling.

It needs to be impossible for doping riders to have a career in cycling. Keeping them out helps those there for the right reasons to shape it's future.

And Garmin riders...?

I'm looking forward to playing all those teams whose members rated Hemlock 11th or below.

OP better not own any Nikes btw..

Hippy, you're confusing purchase and endorsement, 2 different things.

Sunday morning (weather permitting)
PK

Best. Joke. EVER.

Nesbit, I will bet you £25 that we beat you.

I'll have some of that, too, Mark.

there's another 'insider' who'd disagree with you

Greg LeMond: Lance Armstong was 'a top-30 rider at best'

+1

Sunday morning (weather permitting)
PK
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Spoons
Apollo
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Bill

She highlights Hackney as somewhere where changes have been implemented that move towards that goal. Though I think it is important to realise that borough has not been dominated by campaigns for strict segregation, Rachel picks a good example of a road that has been freed up for bikes but car access has been restricted as somewhere where infrastructure is working.

Rachel has had more to with formulating LCC policy than most, so you should be reassured.

If you're looking for easy answers to a complicated problem, then stop looking, you won't find them. And ignore people that make out that there are easy answers.

When does the LCC think there ought to separated space: http://s3.amazonaws.com/lcc_production_bucket/files/5906/original.pdf?1376047072

TL;DR any road with 2000 passenger car units per day on it.

James' point about Old Street: yeah, more people are cycling than ever before. But how many more might cycle if the road conditions were less hostile?

Jack talked to me about the AGM etc on last week's Bike Show. Some of the issues you guys are raising are addressed there: https://soundcloud.com/georgio8/the-bike-show-21-10-13-jack

I really wish this thread hadn't been bumped.

Yeah, where's a mod when you actually need one?

The Rhodes court has two flood lights that were not on. I'm not sure if they would be enough to light it up, but I'll check and see if we can get them to turn them on for us.

The other thing is that the court is probably too narrow, but it will do in a pinch. It's one meter shorter than Downs and two meters narrower.

Big gaps at the bottom of the fences all the way round, as well.

I hear you Bill, I haven't got a fucking clue where LCC stands, but I hear you.

Scoble is kinda right though, it seems like LCC is dead set on segregation, seems being the key word... Please trust me, agreeing with Ed doesn't come easy, in fact the mere thought is making my physically ill. So please tell me he's wrong. Or better yet in straight forward easy to understand layman's terms for those of us not able and willing to spend our entire life ploughing through LCC policies and proposals, where exactly do LCC stand in terms of road apartheid segregation?

"Ceterum censeo Edscobli esse delendam."

"One of the design mantras repeated by several of their experts was "mix where possible, segregate where necessary". That of course opens up a whole area of definitions. Some of which were addressed in Saturday's LCC agm. Others are debated amongst active members in our policy and engineering groups."

From Charlie's post, on previous page.

Pity it seemed that LCC it dead set on segregation or nothing.

The LCC is NOT dead set on segregation or nothing. That's an over-simplification of a very complex policy area.

16 teams! Nice.