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That's true, That really makes it worth while as it basically brings it to the price of the others... unfortunately I'm not a member :-/ is it a code or do you link your accounts somehow? I'm guessing I'd have to get someone who's a member to order it?

Worth a punt then do you think? Obvious alternatives are Supernova E3 Pro 2 which seems to get good reviews for road riding, or Schmidt Edelux II or B&M IQ-X. All between £100-£140, anyone got anything to weigh in for/against any of them?

The only thing I can see that's an obvious advantage of the revo over the others is it's off-road credentials, which could come in useful in the future possibly.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/exposure-revo-dynamo-light-only/rp-prod110884

Exposure Revo for sub £140 - nearly pulled the trigger myself but it's probably OTT for road which is primarily what I plan to use it for.

That's worth knowing, and very very reasonable.

I was starting to lean towards the shimano XT hub as it's user serviceable. I fired an email over to SPA cycles about it (they list the 1.5w version on the website and I'm after the 3) and got this response, which has some useful info:

(In answer to my question 'do you stock the 3w XT hub')

"No we don't, but should be able to get one in to order. It's charging devices that must have 3w, modern LED lights only need 1.5w, which lets the hub run much freer.

Shimano dynohubs were proven to be good in the past, with few failures. What failures we had were due to the cones wearing out. Only one side was replaceable, despite the hubs being serviceable which SON and SP are not. Can't comment on the durability of current Shimano dynohubs since we've only sold a small anount in comparason to SP and SON. I would say we've had a 1% failure rate with SP, but some of these have been after the 2 year warranty, but we have nevertheless underwrote the warranty.

SP hubs should last for 20,000km+ and guaranteed for 2 years. SON for 50.000km plus and guaranteed 5yrs.

For what it's worth, I've got a Kinlin XR26T built into a XT 785 (1.5w) centrelock on my bike, because I think it rolls much easier than any other dynohub I noticed and commented on by the wheelbuilders), except possibly the SON Deluxe. I could've had either, but like the idea that the XT is servicable and I only use headlights.

We can bulid one up on the Kinlin and the cost would be £155 with XT or PD hubs.

Let me know what you think?

Kind regards,

John."

Yeh I have been reading the thread but answers seem to be mixed and anecdotal rather than anything concrete. I guess people have had mixed experiences but the issue of servicing and how much £££ and how long it takes is definately something I'd want to research more before buying.

What's the deal with servicing SP hubs?

I presume the bearings are replaceable like any sealed bearing hub?

Im guessing you have to send the hub away to have the internals serviced?

Jesse won the trans AM in 2015 on a SP so they can't be all bad but I guess the difference is he could afford to bin it when he was finished if he wanted to.

I'm very much a Dynamo noob but it's something I'm currently looking at for a bit of touring this summer.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/mavic-a119-road-rim/rp-prod140742?utm_source=customer-emails&utm_medium=stock-email&utm_campaign=backinstock

I set up a stock alert for this and it's just come back in stock, looks like a good and cheap option.

I've also just realised none are 36h.. whoops. I reckon Malcolm over at cycle clinic can get Kinlins in 36h drillings.

I too looked for rim options, my best finds were;

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/wtb-frequency-i-19-mtb-rim-2016/rp-prod139449
but I don't know how it'll cope with road pressures?

or these:
https://spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s116p3767/KINLIN-XR-22T
https://spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s116p3834/KINLIN-XR-26T

I'm sure there are plenty of cheaper options but I wanted a disc specific, wide, light, black rim.

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/dynamos/shimano-dh3d37qr-6v-30w-quick-release-centre-lock-disc-dynamo-front-hub-silver-36-hole/

Heavy.. but for a cheap build / beater / daily where you'd rather not faff with batteries and/or recharging. Tempted myself for beater...

To be fair, I don't think he needs the money.

Maybe he just really knows his shit? Some of the analysis he's done has very little to do with selling his bb's and would have taken a lot of his time.

https://www.hambini.com

Also his YouTube account is a real eye opener. Shows how much BS there is in the bike world when a car industry level design engineer put things under the microscope.

Still got this? I'll take it @ £70 posted.

Yeah fair enough, it's entirely likely that storing files locally is something they'll add in due course, especially if people keep asking for it, I can't imagine it's hard to do. They seem relatively responsive to user feedback so far. Fair point about trying to lower the level of risk, that makes sense.

I think whether they survive depends on what they do with pricing and how quickly they ramp up the software development, people are going to want to see new features on a monthly basis, bringing features upto wahoo/garmin level in a year or so. If they manage that they might stand a chance.

As always, to each their own, but I'm really surprised this is such a big issue to so many people. The only reason I can think this would be a pain is if you're a pro athlete and you absolutely MUST HAVE your data immediately post ride and HH's servers happen to be down, for us mere mortals, what's the big issue? Genuine question..

eh? Android is an OS not an app.

Doesn't really matter what the OS is as long as it's fit for purpose, I imagine using android gave them a huge leg up when starting development rather than starting from scratch as it contains so many features natively. Currently it's just lacking a bunch of features that is going to separate it from the rest of the market.

That said, to call the Karoo an android device is really true only in the strictest of senses as virtually all the functionally of android is stripped out. If it weren't for the keyboard and the 'pull down' menu from the top of the screen you almost wouldn't know it's android.

I think it could potentially be the best device on the market if they ramp up the software development and really nail it.

To be fair, an android phone with good battery life, thats rugged enough to take falling off a bike and survive, is waterproof and has a quarter turn mount would make an excellent head unit.

Huzzah! New features look very cool too!

Bah... why isn't this a 52 :( can't believe this hasn't gone for less than 200 smackers...

Thanks for the comments, I'll deffo be giving them a go at some point in the not too distant future, ordered a Rapha merino base layer while they have them for £30 at sportpursuit, seems daft not to! Deffo will be ordering some TORM products at some point soon.

Zing!

Sorry to dig this thread up but I've been looking at merino jerseys and the TORN stuff looks ace.

Is there any difference between all the SS jerseys apart from the colours? Same for the LS jerseys? Are they all essentially the same jersey with slightly different designs?

Does anyone have the base layers and do they rate them? Looking at them vs. the genuine article from Rapha and dhb's merino base layers. Cheers.

Thanks for the comments!

How have the PT bibs lasted in terms of longevity? Stitching? "RAPHA" Logo? Those are the bits that quite a few people have mentioned have let them down, but it does seem a lot of those comments were from a few years back, they might well have improved since then.

I'm now looking at the "Classic II Rain Jacket" as my current rain cape is a cheapo castelli bin bag thing I bought years ago, it works, but it's not great. This would be a significant step up, does anyone have any experience with it? Rapha has a lot of stuff in their range and it's sometimes hard to pin down which product is for what. Is this packable into your back pocket if you go out in the wet and the rain stops?