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Can't do tonight after all, and next Tuesday is also a bit annoying.

But I think I will get out for New Year's Day hills if anyone is silly enough to want to join in.

All the bloody rain for a start.

Will anyone else be out for Christmas Eve hills? Maybe earlier in the day than usual?

I should be ok for tonight.

There's a corner and a low wall. So I'm worried about swept volume.

Went to try a cargo bike and didn't buy it because my wife is adamant it won't fit through our gate.

Is anyone willing to ride their bullitt down to kennington to give it a go?

I'm off to try a gazelle cabby on Friday.

It's not what I want but it might be what I need.

(Stress free to lock up around London, carries kiddo+guest, good for shopping, takes the occasional bulky load to the dump.)

If it works I'll be selling our much loved wehoo trailer - about 1yr old. Anyone interested?

The car free street group in our area organised a diversion down streets which usually carry no traffic, which was a bit annoying as drivers have now learned a new rat run and continue to use it.

They could have been directed back onto the main roads instead.

Cheers. Looks pretty interesting. What did you do for accommodation?

I've got 4 days on my own in Japan next April and I need to start and finish in Tokyo (Haneda).

I'll take my own bike, probably.

Does anyone have suggestions for routes or places to stay? I'm pretty happy doing 80-120 miles a day and would quite like to do a coast-to-coast trip.

Only if they drive a private vehicle in London. I suspect most low earners (which in London means anything up to 60k a year family income) take the bus/tube.

Road charging which scales with wealth would be pretty cool, but in this case the perfect may be the enemy of the good.

The primary beneficiary of road charging would be people who live on busy roads, or who benefit from increased government budgets. So that's helpful at least.

Oh FFS I will be away for Easter 2020, as it's very early :-/

Maybe an alternate arrow later in the year when it's less freezing?

The LFGSS team arrow was the 400 I've enjoyed most.

Can probably think of a few tweaks for next year. Mostly to do with pacing rather than route, though.

Yes, thanks.

D'oh.

I'm on my way

Heading to the ivy house.

Just for you, ok, 1900 depart.

Was it @amey ?

Usual 18:45 at HHV unless anyone speaks out.

I'm in for tonight.

Experimental hills (Elliott Bank) is on the cards.

Still 6:45pm at HHV?

I'm not sure about putting kids on an Omnium. The center of gravity seems a bit high.

I'll want my wife to ride it, and our 3 year old weighs >20kg, so the torque difference between a high load platform and a low bucket could make a difference.

I hate the way they look but the Babboe is £1,700 and looks pretty practical.

I feel like if I'm going to break the budget I might as well go big and get what I really want (a STEPS Urban Arrow or Bullitt - although parking one of those outside in London would probably be a stupid mistake).

Central London.

The bullits are £3k+ which is pretty hefty.

A bakfiets style bike would probably do fine.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a cargo bike in the £1-2k range? It's for grocery shopping, nursery runs (very occasionally with 2 kids), and taking heavy rubbish to the tip. Our immediate area is very flat - the biggest hill is Lambeth Bridge.

I've seen one of these in the wild and they look quite good for about £1,250. But they seem to be mostly out of stock. http://www.bertusbakfiets.nl/