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For anyone who heard AQ last night Labour's problems were displayed for all to see.

There was a very aggressive exchange between Caroline Flint and Matt Wrack at about 30min in (former Labour Minister and General Secretary of the Fire Brigades Union respectively) where each proceeded to attack the other over Corbyn.

Flint said, The Labour Party is not a badge you wear on your jacket. It is a shield to protect the interests of ordinary men and women. And went on to reiterate what many others, including @Fox, have said that he is standing in the way of Labour winning an election; so he should be challenged for leadership.

Matt countered that Corbyn should stay as he won, with the largest margin, stating he is the victim of a very long, co-ordinated campaign by right and left, by those who never supported him to get rid of him. Furthermore that when Cameron told him 'For heaven's sake man, go!' that showed the political establishment and the media, not just individuals, are against him because he represents democracy and change.

But under the surface it was clear that this was not the real issue and next Flint seemed offended that she was being called the political establishment when her background is anything but. Proceeding to attack Matt and Corbyn's position again with much emotion that the future is lost with Corbyn at the top.

The result was, Graham Brady MP saying that he welcomed this unfolding discourse as it makes the Conservative Party seem a haven of tranquillity despite their own internal battles. Going on to say that Corbyn is a hopeless leader of the opposition and he needs to go as good opposition makes for better government.

That for me really highlighted the underlying issue, those who support Labour want the Party to be theirs but there are two distinct sides of support. The Party as competitive opposition to the Tories vs The Party as the representation of democracy. The problem is, UK Labour Party is the only political Labour movement in Europe that hasn't split permanently into two factions and this is unlikely to happen as both sides have lifetimes invested in it and the values it represents.

For people who agree on so much, the rift is so much more aggravated (like Christians and Jews perhaps?) I condemn those who expressed no confidence at such a critical time as they did not have an alternative or an agenda but acted on long standing disagreement with the leadership result last summer, this has been more damaging than the claims of Corbyn being unelectable as it has showed everyone in full public view that they can't even organise where people sit on benches let alone run a country. If Corbyn has to go then do it quietly, to save face, to maintain credibility, to remain The Opposition.

Everyday since last week there should have been condemnation from a unified Labour Party against Cameron's actions and the final result. In The Public's eye it appears that the Labour Party is more concerned about who sits opposite The PM than the state of the country in the hands of the Tories after they have possibly removed us from The EU, The Single Market and potentially even The UK.

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why hasn't this sold? frame is worth that alone

gotcha, I'll go find a cat to talk to and stroke for a bit.

Nothing has happened yet, just wait. I am sorry, reflection works for me and it helps at times like this but I will defend myself as not being smug. I graduate in a few weeks and a lot is stacked against me too so I know it is tough

Generally, parties are too divided to get into bed with each other. If the threat of the extreme right is genuine then maybe they would hold hands. All eyes are on Labour I think, they hold more cards than they know what to do with, hopefully they can make a great substitution and pull a winning play out the bag to unite. I think that the majority of people want to be in a reformed EU, there were lots of remainers, but also many 'in' and 'out' with reservations. Hopefully they can pick up on that.

I am confused I think wires are crossed

Tories are at blows but they are always quick to get a plan together and look like they know what they are doing, whereas in reality Cameron just winged it every time and got through it unscathed until this. Hopefully by Monday evening Corbyn is gone and in a few weeks there is coherent progress to a divorce. It is all to play for, maybe general election, maybe Labour will die or reform. Isn't it times like this that a new party emerges? This will be a good slap that ends apathy to voting. Everyone says what happens next, just wait. I'm sorry for my previous posts that have antagonised people like @BleakReference, I do just want to help and appease. I really do recommend just sitting down, a quiet cup of tea and a few moments of peace to yourself can do wonders, you may find you don't need to vent that anger. Of course you're perfectly entitled to vent, I'm not telling you what to do.

It is very simple. If you are angry, if you are upset; don't divide the country.
Who called the referendum?
Who chose the date?
Who chose the terms of it?
Who tried to negotiate reform prior to it?

That gammon-faced, professional suit wearer who just slipped out the back door to skip town and collect his offshore savings and escape any muck being slung at a large fan.

If it worked for you then that is great but please don't assume everybody else has the choice. If the solution to severe problems in rural and run down areas is 'move to London' and was adopted by more people then we'd be in an even worse situation with bigger metropolitan divide in council funding and culture. Many people don't have mobility, or the opportunity to escape the close radius of where they were born.

I know, I'm not very deep so there isn't much to analyse, I have said before I am not strong with my choice of words, I am trying to improve. I thought it was obvious that a maximum voting age was a joke, made to oppose the previous suggestion. I was just trying to lighten the mood

oh dear. I should have labelled my sarcasm.

Have people learned nothing from drowning in 'keep calm carry on' paraphernalia?

And for those people, voting for change carries no risk. It can't get any worse so you may as well sling in a leave vote just in case it makes a difference and things improve.

Exactly, you can't blame them for their suffering.

With the deterioration of the house of commons and the imminent repairs needed to it, can I make a suggestion? Quickly, close the house of lords and parliament, do it up and make it a tourist attraction. Create a UK assembly outside of London with a united geometry, not two divided sides. Reform the voting system to better represent districts and democracy. In the mean time the NHS collapses and fails to care for the elderly who voted leave so they die early. 10 years down the line, new referendum and we rejoin, new slate, reformed and free of the real shackles that hold this country back - Established, disconnected, party politics.

voting should be like driving, you should need to pass a test before you're allowed to

So when the pensioners peg it, add a maximum voting age, say 70 years old

possibly, but honestly I don't think people know how shit life is for a lot of people in rural areas. It can't get worse when there is no money, food or housing. Whatever happened it can stay the same but it can't get worse for some and people need to accept that.

ditto - some of the poverty in wales is beyond the imagination of those in Cardiff

Yes, sorry, I named London as it was the biggest distinction. As a trend, remain votes in England came from the metropolitan areas so it easy to view those outside those areas as leavers and consequently draw an artificial boundary between people.

Again, to those remain-ers persistently saying they are disappointed / scared of the future for a inward looking UK and the disappointment for the rise of bigotry means for humanity, please remember that is damaging. It is prejudiced to think that all leave-ers are racist, to think they are in effect 'enemies' to a liberal future makes you close minded in the London bubble. If you grow to fear that those living outside London as being phobic then you too have become part of the problem. If you want to 'jump ship' before your doomed future is realised then that will also contribute to any rise of the right as they will be less opposed. The problem is ignorance and eduction, welcome each other always and forgive those whose view does not include the whole of humanity. You have the power to help all by changing someone's opinion, by making someone humanist. To those outside Boris' home hurling abuse and protest, wake up, we are not a country of racists and your anger will not heal or nourish anybody. If you respond to little Englanders with friction and contempt then the divisions will get worse. Please don't draw lines and reject those on the other side, build bridges.

I am sorry, I don't mean to antagonise. I am not good with my words, I will leave you to talk amongst yourselves. I hope you all don't listen to the media and become scared and worried, maybe have a cup of tea in the sun and ask yourself if everything really is that bad and doomed, the birds will still be singing.

I know a lot of you have a many dependants and consequential financial anxiety and someone like me can be quite tedious and unhelpful, but continue to love each other, enjoy the sun and remember money can't buy any of that. We are humans and humanity unites us not money.

Perhaps I am deluded but I am content. I'm optimistic for a future of politics and economics acting to protect people and planet. If I complain and worry then I create personal suffering that helps nobody.

One mustn't worry about money, it isn't real. I'm soon to be homeless, it is an opportunity not a suffering.

Hog roast - Cameras at Boris's, Cameron falling on his sword in 5...4...3...2...1...

If you're near Downing Street, Cameron to resign in next 10mins

that's the spirit

It's time to listen, to talk and to build, literally and figuratively. And to redistribute our wealth more equally and fairly

Right on, let's move forward. Build a period of stability so Sterling levels and jobs are secure, then start to rebuild on solid economic foundations that benefit the whole country. It isn't surprising Scotland voted to remain, socially and politically they are moving in the right direction and that is what people respond to.