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Presumably as they're based on an older Giro model now.

What kind of vecchio hunts in a transfer jacket?

The colour and extra fabric on the rear wouldn't really help. I get hot enough in a black pro team jersey in the Italian summer...I couldn't even imagine wearing sportwool then let alone black sportwool.

The Black Friday sale had better discounts for some things

As I said, I was just pointing out it's something they really need to work on.

I provided my business, when openly asked, in order to show that I'm not just some random complaining about it but someone with an informed opinion on finishing in clothing; it wasn't meant to be a comparison with sportswear.

I might just add that a fully hand stitched shirt, made in Italy with the best English fabrics (one area we might still be called a world leader), would cost almost similar to a PT Jersey. So ultimately...who needs to put their house in order?

As I work mostly for individual clients it's easier to see the sort of things I sell here. As you can see practically everything is hand made or finished so I'm not just spouting an uneducated opinion.

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Surely a one off prototype would be finished to a higher level of quality than a mass produced garment? A prototype is, and should be, the purest example of the product you wish produced.

I have a menswear business selling hand made clothing myself and as far as I'm concerned the finishing is truly awful (especially for the price charged). I'm not the only one to point this out, another member here who said his gf worked in fashion said she complained of exactly the same things.

At the end of the day not many people know what they're looking at when it comes to finishing standards in clothing but if you're in the trade yourself, it's appalling.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a rant and I'm a Rapha fan boy, but it's one area they really need to improve.

Their finishing does seem a little off on quite a few products. For example a pair of pro team gloves i ordered recently had loose stitching when out of the bag. They'll go back.

The odd thing is you can even spot a lot of finishing problems on the item photographs on the website if you look closely; such as loose or wonky stitching, and unfinished edges to the fabrics sticking out, fabric not trimmed to make seams neat etc. Seems odd that they'd use them as the couple of photos you get an idea of the product and finishing from before you order.

The piece of kit on Stannard(?) on the right looks interesting. Reworked pro team jacket?

Better pic here:

Designed following a direct request from Team Sky to have tights with a pad stitched in.

http://pages.rapha.cc/products/legwear-guide-2013

RCJLT tights all have pads stitched in from what I've seen, too.

My Rapha winter tights w/pad are certainly very compressive.

Almost every other high end manufacturer has moved on from tights w/o pads now (including Rapha), they belong in the <00's or on people who still think that's the way to do it because they're traditionalists. There's a reason Team Sky and RCJLT requested tights with pads (almost every WT/conti team kit i've seen comes with them as standard)...it's far less fuss 7AM on a freezing morning to get geared up and also the fit is superior.

Further to that tights cover almost any training circumstances the whole A/W. Thermal bibs really are quite niche and yes, I'd own a pair, but not before normal winter tights...

I don't really see the point of the thermal bibs beyond racing. If it's cold enough for thermal bibs (and I presume warmers) it's cold enough for tights.

Get your tights with a pad - so much less hassle.

Why do they take so long to dispatch orders? Four working days (and counting) is a joke for an online company these days.

HED are really expensive here in Italy unfort., likewise ENVE and I believe in supporting my LBS as that relationship is more important to me than a few hundred euros.

They do have ENVE but the price is another ~€700 on the Zipps and ~€1000 on the Mavic CCU's and this is something of an unnecessary purchase as it is...

Mavic CCU 2013 VS Zipp 303 2015?

Both tubs...

Zipp 303 (U Shape, 45mm x 25-27mm, 1335g, €1850 new)
Mavic CCU (V Shape, 40mm x 21mm, 1185g, €1600 ex demo basically new)

In a hastily deleted tweet Rapha said 30% off some products and 15% off everything in store...is this the case?

Probably lots of people complained I imagine!

Yeah...

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Nothing actually seems to be for sale in that shop...very much a vibe of "if you have to ask..."

Be careful of the Zip Puller Of Death™

All good to know, cheers. Any info on johnnyhotdog's conundrum?

Also you can see the new pro team softshell pretty nicely on the front here:

So effectively the new PTJ is just a long sleeve pro team jersey with windproof panels?

I have a RCJLT gilet which would be very similar if so and the rider told me it was Team Sky influenced...maybe this is feedback from the pros saying that the old PTJ was pretty useless in their view (ran too hot...too bulky etc).