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Hi, can anyone help me identify this frame?
I bought it as a bike, knowing only that it had an interesting frame and quality parts. I've done some research since then and would now hazard a guess that the frame has been built by one of the Soens family (famous Liverpudlian family of frame builders)- going by the fact that it has the seatstay cluster done in the semi wrap-around and lapped design, characteristic of the majority of their frames. I have seen many semi wrap-around examples, and a few lapped ones, but very rarely both of these features done together on non Soen frames. I also have a good idea that the frame would be a 50's era one- which was the time when most of the Soens frames were produced (research tells me that it's non an Eddie Soens one though- the most common Soens frame of this period). I'm saying 50's because the frame has Nervex (not Pro) lugs per the stamping on the bottom bracket shell, whom ceased to manufacture lugs in the late 50's/early 60's. And also because the frame's steerer tube is stamped A&P (Accles & Pollock) who were a tubing manufacturer that ceased producing cycle tubing in the late 50's. The frame itself might not be A&P tubing though, as I realise several frame builders using it had frames made from 531, but reserved the forks for the other tubing for some reason. But one thing that might look to contradict the frame's era is that many of the parts the frame has on it are 70's era. IMO the frame has been repainted, and I suppose that the bike strip-down necessary for doing this was also an excuse for exchanging some of the original spec kit for stuff available at the time, likely 70's kit. I don't think the quite unusual type of brakes would have been replaced though, and the particular ones on the bike were definitely available during the fifties. There's also an Hetchins headbadge decal applied, but it hasn't been lacquered on, and the fact that there's another decal that has had the lacquered treatment would seem to indicate that the bike's original decals weren't replaced at the time of the repaint job, but instead, I'd guess that the decal was applied at some later time just to give the bike some kind of identity. Another of the frame's distinctive features is that the frame number seems quite unusual in that it doesn't have any letters included, and is also quite short. I've discovered that another forumer looking to ID a frame with a similar format number to this found out that the only well known builder he could find that doesn't use letters is Bob Jackson, but I think that many of their numbers were five digit ones, and the 50's ones seem to be in the region of 3000+ during the 50's?
Anyway, some basic specs of the frame/bike are that the bike weighs in at 11kg 400g, seatpost diameter is 27.2mm and both sets of dropouts are unbranded and look to be of mediocre quality (although the front set are the unusual 'vampire' design). And there's no front derailleur braze on, so it looks like the frame was designed for single chainwheel use only, as how it's currently set up. And, of course, the tourer style can't brakeset is also quite distinctive- especially for a frame which seems more racing oriented, it having no typical tourer braze ons like those for pannier racks, fork lamp bracket etc.
So, to sum up- I'd say this is a mid to high end frame, especially if it is actually a Soens frame, and also going by the fact that it's been renovated and constantly maintained down the years, which is the kind of treatment that would be a waste/unlikely on just a mediocre frame.
So any advice gratefully received:)
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Yes, in fact these are only 7 speed, as you say- rather confusing seeing as the freehub body length actually is pretty identical to an 8 speed one, but what prevents an 8 speed cassette fitting is a deep spacer type arrangement that leaves a good few mm's between largest cog and the spokes:) I had thought of fitting a NOS 8 speed freehub body to the hub, but the faff involved isn't really worthwhile just so I can sell the hubset.
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I have a nice road bike Reynolds 653 frame with non matching alloy forks you might be interested in? I can't check the size right now but I'm pretty sure it falls within your criteria. PM if you're interested and I can dig it out.