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@IR I'll go down it after you. :-)

@BareNecessities If you come one a Surrey Hills ride some day I'll show you it. Stuff like this has to be seen in real life, the photos just don't capture how nuts it is.

Here are some photos I took of a new run cut into the hillside of Pitch Hill in Surrey, the very steepest of the steepest I've seen there. Done apparently by Sam Reynolds and Olly Wilkins. It's some crazy shit. The photos don't do the trail justice in terms of its steepness and technicality.

Lead in on the top section of the trail to a gap jump which is around 15 feet. Difficult to see but the trail and the gap are right next to the side of cliff, any fuck ups and you fall off the side and tumble 40 foot down or more. The gap jump take off is flat and the lead in is sketchy.

Trail continues next to the edge of the cliff down to the tree at the bottom where you basically throw yourself and your bike over the ledge and down another cliff at freefall speed.

There are three step downs not visible in that photo that the pros basically sale over from take off and land past the log at the bottom of this photo.

The ride down Pitch Hill today was a blast. Met up with a couple of friends just by chance after being shown some more of the steeps I hadn't done before a by three riders I bumped into. They also showed me the steepest, craziest trail I have yet seen down the hills. I did not go down it.
Photos to follow and, almost as always, they don't do the trail justice in terms of its steepness and technicality. Apparently it's just been cut into the hillside by Sam Reynolds and Olly Wilkins a couple of weeks ago.

Lead in on the top section of the trail to a gap jump which is around 15 feet. Difficult to see but the trail and the gap are right next to the side of cliff, any fuck ups and you fall off the side and tumble 40 foot down or more. The gap jump take off is flat and the lead in is sketchy.

Trail continues next to the edge of the cliff down to the tree at the bottom where you basically throw yourself and your bike over the ledge and down another cliff at freefall speed.

There are three step downs not visible in that photo that the pros basically sale over from take off and land past the log at the bottom of this photo.

No worries, I'm aiming for as much riding as possible too next year.
Heading to Peaslake now instead, going to do some sessioning up on the steeps. :-)

Musson's book is excellent & comprehensive but still references - and quotes from - Brandt's book as the benchmark in wheel building knowledge.

With my current set up, using Maxis High Roller non-tubeless ready tyres as well, I don't experience any serious issues that I'm aware of. Even casing the rear end on jumps I've not noticed any loss of pressure.
I'm just interested in how a Procore type system would run as you can have the outer chamber at really low pressures, much lower than a standard tubeless set up and not have to worry about damaging the rim from impacts.

That is a damn good piece. Well worth the read.

It is indeed a bit shit.

Cool. Let me know for sure later. I think it could be a really good day. :-)

Thinking of goping to Swinley Forest tomorrow with the express purpose of sessioning the labyrinth runs. Looks like a good day for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2656992

I'll be bypassing the initial blue section and heading straight to the labyrinth where they have short but sweet and very fun mini-downhill runs. They're not as steep or as technical as the steeps of Pitch Hill but are very sessionable and good practice runs especially for anyone thinking of coming to the Rogate downhill day.

https://www.lfgss.com/events/1207/

I'm planning on catching the train to Martins Heron and arriving around 10am and cycling to Swinley from there. Only takes around 15 minutes.
Anyone up for it?
Here's a taster of the kind of runs available:

https://youtu.be/gATyPOpmziM

@digs86 @Howard @LHL @mmccarthy and anyone else: who wants to ride tomorrow?
Thinking of goping to Swinley Forest with the express purpose of sessioning the labyrinth runs. Looks like a good day for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2656992

I'll be bypassing the initial blue section and heading straight to the labyrinth where they have short but sweet and very fun mini-downhill runs. They're not as steep or as technical as the steeps of Pitch Hill but are very sessionable and good practice runs especially for anyone thinking of coming to the Rogate downhill day.
I'm planning on catching the train to Martins Heron and arriving around 10am and cycling to Swinley from there. Only takes around 15 minutes.
Anyone up for it?
Here's a taster of the kind of runs available:

https://youtu.be/gATyPOpmziM

A guy I ride with is running an XTR 11spd cassette on his previous generation Hope Pro II Evo that was meant to be for 10spd max. The only problem is the minimal clearance between the largest cog and the spokes but it has worked fine for a year.
Chain life for off road is not good. He's gone through four chains in a year I think....

It was a good day. Hope you have photos of the sun setting over the fields and the furry bearcows. :-D

Despite it being a good day it was sad to note the further trail specific devastation around Evian and Milestone Hips. It's definitely been done to destroy the trails and nothing else.

Totally blocked entrance to Evian/MBR.

Large plant machinery has been very nearly the whole way down the trail, following it exactly, with the express intent of fucking it totally.
I think the whole forestry operations thing is bullshit, I'm willing to bet that no work will continue besides making sure the land is always unrideable.

The last 20 metres of the trail is still there but getting to it is a mission and pointless.

@digs86 surveying the devastation.

Still, was a fucking good day. Got lead legs at the end, displayed enviably bad technique in all riding situations, cased jumps with aplomb, and was pleased to see the still somewhat rare sight of women out on the trails in winter. Who then also powered past me on a short, sharp climb while I walked.

No thank you, but kind of you to ask.

I've been on this forum since 2011 (lurking moar only until earlier this year when first posting) and did not know what DAS meant till yesterday.

Thank you Google.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaMup_8RTPY

This is fucking brilliant:

https://vimeo.com/149614122

I'll probably try the other method mooted on the Bike Radar forum using a 26" clincher slick tyre with a tube inside, then use a tubeless tire over that. It'll be cheaper for me than buying tubular.

Someone had to, I guess...

Shame, but sounds as if you're in a winter wonderland, so enjoy. :-)

Well, in the new year I'm gonna experiment with a ghetto set up so I'll let you know how it goes uphill. :-)

I aim to. :-)

MTB I've read about a lot, though I think someone, somwhere, in the dark hinterlands of the net might have mentioned CX...

There are also other methods that don't use tubulars, but still for MTB:

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10004&t=12981525

http://www.pinkbike.com/u/sinki/blog/diy-ghetto-procore.html

Plus someone using a tubular tyre for a MTB set up:

http://instaliga.com/tarhof/987548975753989791_14286922/all-comments

And who really love shit pebble "beaches."