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I talked to maserati just a few days ago they could not even provide details for any wheels made for the ghibli at this point. I figured the ones i have must have the same specs as the rest of the cars with different wheels from 95 forward but they dident know and i dont think its just that they dident want to find out for me cause i was forwarded to their data / classic collection department or similar and they looked but couldent find any info.

So its not hard for me to imagine there has been a lot of special things done that may not be registered anywhere. But today i bought a digital measure device (dont know the name of this tool in english) so ill just figure out what i need to know myself i guess.

Good questions. If i could test fit the wheels it would be much easier to make assumption about what tires that could be fitted without just guessing. On the new wheels the tire fitted are 265 width for the rear and it did fit a ghibli but on the 95 years models and forward the rear wheel house had the wheel house panel bend in a u shape making the panel above the wheel thinner. Whilst on my 94 the panel edge is a 90 degree bend inwards making the potential interference from a larger tire. Hence im not sure if its a good idea to go with a slightly larger spacer for the possibilty to fit the 265s which may not work anyways.

But yeah i have thought about it since normal 265s could potentially fit (not these i think with the R sidewall as it will be to tight. Would be nicer and its quite tailhappy as well so perhaps could tone that down a bit with more rubber.

Yes i was thinking if i can get these wheels to work eventually and i have spent cash on new rubber as well i might as well just pay for what we call a 4 wheel setting to make sure the camber is correct etc. Im a novice about this stuff so i wouldent know how much the suspension can be changed tbh. I know i have 4 settings by pressing buttons tho .) Since it will be somewhat of a money pit operation regardless i might as well throw a tad more to it and get it done right.

Would like new federale 265 / 45 fetch any cash used btw? like a 100-200 miles or similar.

Doh ofc there was a site like that.

Thanks!

I think it pretty much confirms my calculations. If its enough space between the rim / tire vs struts etc i guess i will find out eventually.

I need some reassurance im not effin this up.

So im getting a spacer going by feel as the wheels cant be test fitted to measure what would works better with the wheels in place.

Old rear wheels = 8" with ET of 33mm
New rear wheels = 9" with Et of 53.5mm

Im sure theres a much easier way of thinking about this but here are the thoughts keeping my up :)

The old wheel was 8" = 20.32cm in width total.
The centerpoint of this rim is at 10.16cm.
But since the Et is 33mm the wheel would "protroud" inwards from the mounting point of the hub with a distance of 10.16cm+33mm = 13.46cm
So the rim edge would end up 13.46cm in from the mounting point.

The new wheels is 9" = 22.86cm
The centerpoint of this rim is at 11.43cm
But since the et is 53.5 mm the wheel would "protroud" inwards from the mounting point of the hub with a distance of 11.43cm + 53.5mm = 16.78cm.
So the rim edge would end up 16.78cm in from the mounting point.

The differrence between the wheels inwards protrouding length (theres likely a better word here that i cant come up with) = 16.78cm - 13.46 = 3.32 cm

Thats quite a lot. I guess this means (unless im thinking wrong) that the outer edge must be (since the new rim is 1" wider) 3.32 - 2,54 = 0.78cm more inwards than the older rim despite beeing an inch wider.

Now a 18mm spacer (the thinnest they can make for a spacer that changes bcd with the new center bore diameter) would make the new rims outer edge sit at 1.8cm - 0.78cm = 1.02cm more outward. And the inner edge of the rim would now be 3.32cm + the spacer of 1.8cm = 1,52cm more inwards than the older wheel. Which seem correct since 1.02 + 1.52 = 2.54 = 1"

Now providing this is correct does that seem like a good way to start with a spacer, just say yes!
Ha dont want to go more outwards and they cant make a thinner spacer so i guess thats where im at if my math is not bonkers.

Yeah i figured it was serious money but dident know it was quite that much. Its very nice tho, great color combo.

This really nice Jag parks around the corner from time to time. What does one of these costs today approx?

Nope bolts. The rear will have spacers if i can make them fit and the the proper center bore on that spacer. Front do not have the space for a spacer so only solution would be increaing the dia of the center bore.

Yeah i agree will be a good combo i just hope i get to c it ;)

The ghibli II changes appearance more so than any other car i know depending on the color.

That yellow is a good example

I think u are correct

More or less identical to mine. Tho im not fond of those wheels either. Infact i have never seen those wheels on a ghibli b4 actually. Wonder if they are something else with a borrowed center cap with the Maserati logo or if they were available as an option but not very popular as i have seen a lot of images but never those. They look very big as well 18" perhaps, im hoping to fit 17s. Original wheels were 16 uptil 94 i think.

Cheers thats good to have confirmed. According to the guy who had them he bought them new from uk and drove a couple of hundred kms and by the look of them and the tires it seem accurate as they look more or less new. He just sold them because he got a set of the ghibli cup wheels.

Good to know i think i have found a place that can enlarge the bore and they can also rebuild futura rims to shallower or wider as well as making new bcd and et.

So it can definetly be fixed, just a matter of cash ha.

Hopefully they can just open the bore .5 mm on the front and they can fit the wheel as is (possible narrower tire) with wiggle bolts and then a spacer for the rear in a size that makes the existing tire and rim work in the wheelhouse or perhaps with a narrower tire.

That would be ideal from here on. As it would fall in acceptable money (i think..) Making a futura rim less wide and with a different et and possibly new bcd sounds expensive.

Pity i dont like the original wheels much as it would likely be a better option to just have them refinished and some new rubber. Its just something about them that makes the whole car look a bit flat (also not a fan of the f1 style fake center hub design).

Its very annoying but i was there in the shop and i know these new wheels are for a maserati ghibli only the 94 and not my 93. According to maserati in italy the center bore should be the same as my current 93 wheels also made by OZ.

To clarify, i dont have a spacer yet i was there today only to find out how wide a spacer i would need but that was impossible to figure out since we couldent fit the wheels and see what spacing was still there or missing etc.

However the wheels would only sit on the lip and not allow themselves to be pushed into the "rim" even with a lot of preassure where as my old wheels just slip right on there.

But yeah the spacer you posted in the picture would circumvent the issue i guess but wouldent the load be on the bolts alone with this type of spacer (tho perhaps it is even with the kind in the picture below that i was thinking of putting on in which case i could just have the lip of the spacer made to the new wheels center bore specs.

Regardless the front wheels center bore would still need to be enlarged that tiny bit as there is no spacer to modify anything with and they just wont fit as is.

The picture below is of another ghibli from 93 using a spacer to fit later maserati wheels and in the front they would slip on without issues so the center bore must have been correct on those maserati wheels from later years but not my setup apparently (tho not the same model wheels). Tricky stuff!

No only briefly yesterday but did not really have enough time on my hand. Was going to try today as i had some time off for the wheel fitting anyways but today the darn car would not make a single tick tock.

Please do shout!

Yeah i dont know about teaser but yeah those were the wheels intended to go on the car .)

Now ive just come back from the wheel shop and the damn wheels wont fit as the center bore is point something of a mm to shallow to even test fit so cant figure out what spacer size i would need if even possible to fit these. Bit annoying to say the least as i spent hours researching the fitment a few years ago and came to the conclusion they would fit with the proper spacer (perhaps i would need to get some less shallow tires with a more rounded edge than the ones on the rims now but i could live with that) Heck i even talked directly to maserati in italy about it.

Its perhaps still possible to get them fitted i guess but so much work for someone who does not know a lot about cars and then when the wheel guys say its perhaps better to just sell them off and renovate the old ones the excitement and energy just kinda goes bust..

However, im not giving up just quite yet. The rear wheels would still need a spacer to fit so the center bore could be changed on the inside of the spacer to fit the hub and the outside to fit the wheel center bore diameter (if they idd are different). But the front was not suppose to get a spacer according to previous calculations (provided they were correct) so there i cant manipulate the center bore.

Is it possible to get a rim center bore reworked to a point of something of a mm larger anywhere without dramatic costs ?

Argh cars. I guess bikes are somewhat the same with no standards but at least there i know stuff ha.

A ghibli from 93. I do use the aircon at least once or twice every year and i tried it yday to see if the sound would go away but it had no effect. I tried the fan on max as well and then it went away until i realized it was just louder than the ticking noise .)

On a more possitive note im taking the car to the rubber shop tomorrow to get them to measure what spacers i actually need. Im hoping the car will feel a bit more solid once i get some better n wider rubber + im looking forward to the new look as my current rims are in pretty poor shape.

Oh you know if you ever need a bike when you are here or a coffee..

Tho im swamped with work right now. Guess thats a good thing but im to old for hectic couriering 40 hours a week :) feel like my recovering time is 48 hours these days.

Hmm that would be dreamy as its more or less a non issue.

But i was also thinking along the lines that its likely not anything serious since not connected to the revs. The engine sounds and feels smooth.

Someone suggested an SEM valve, what is this?

I have no experience with this at all. But it does have an a/c i never get to use around here so its never on. Alltho i guess it can still make sounds perhaps.

Yes its still there when idling at the same rythm. Unless i restart at which point it may not be..

Hoping someone can give me an idea of what this could be..

I have a ticking noise from the engine compartment thats intermittent. I cant locate exactly where from unfortunately.

It started a few weeks back and at that time i thought it was connected to making a gear change as using the clutch seemed to make the noise start / stop. Now it does not seem to be connected to using the clutch anymore. At least i cant get it to start stop by using the clutch anymore.

Some rides it can be completely quiet. Some rides it comes and dissapears after a few seconds or halv a minute or so. Or its there until i restart the car at which point it can be silent for the entire next drive or not.

Sounds like a clock more or less. It goes at a steady pace and the rythem is not connected to the revs as its constant regardless of rpm.

Any ideas?

Ive heard it as well, that it was a fake and that they supplied the new white one but thought those were just rumors and perhaps not necessarily true.

Sure but that would go for a lot of the older ferraris then? Or do you think the daytona stand out in that way? Perhaps its that one grow up with miami vice and i have seen a few live that makes it an icon for me.

Dont think most of my friends could tell any older ferrari without badges tbh. They would likely guess it but they would do that for a fiero as well .)