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dibs on the cat bum.

Remind me never to invite you round!
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Sorry usa1nbOlt...as i said in the first post...i'm not posting anything...got too much on just now.

Done.

That's the one. :]
You should patent that before someone copies it!

B is also reliant on the forks having enough thread/spare steerer to allow for the gain in height the brake mount would add...probably even with a built in crown race.

I don't see a lot of point in B though to be honest.
To remove it you have to remove the stem, undo the headset, remove the forks completely, remove the brake from the mount, hammer the mount off your forks, potentially fit a normal crown race back onto the forks, then put it all back together.

If you're prepared to go to that much trouble each time you want to take the brake off, you could just swap between drilled forks and undrilled.

The first idea makes sense because it could be truly quick release...especially with a lever with a hinged clamp.

Version B:

Have the top of the holding ring machined so it acts like a crown race - this gets around the 'shoulder' problem.

Copycat! :]

Build the crown race into the second idea and you might be onto a winner.

balls..the bell is dodgy, you should have asked for my number then you could call when you're here.

unless you're gonna start using some 'negative shims' ? :]
Ya cannae slide a shoulder of one diameter over a shoulder of equal diameter though.
The brake plate would need a hole big enough to fit over the original shoulder, then the new shoulder would need to fit tight onto the steerer so would therefore need to sit completely above the original shoulder in order to have the same diameter as the original...ya get me?

that's my point though...that crown race shoulder would have to be completely above the original shoulder so it could be the same diameter, which would add further height.

figured that! :]

hehe

You still can use an expander with his first idea.
If he builds in the crown race he'll limit his headset options as they're not all the same.

won't work bud...the brake mount will already be partly on the collar, so to then add an extended collar to the mount it would have to be a bigger diameter and will then be too big for the crown race.

just mailed you.

B may have problems with not leaving enough of the wider shoulder for the crown race to sit on, leaving it slightly loose...unless you recess the crown race into the plate slightly to also help with stack height?

Good work on both though...keep at it.

sorry, only just saw this. Yeah i'm in. Or i'm in tomorrow too.

Get your Jim Jams on then Maximillion.

They're called 'Shinburgers'...what do you expect? :]
That's why you're meant to use them with shinguards.
Again though, they're bloody strong.
I could tell you a story about how their pedals saved a few riders from being stranded when their team bus was broken down once, but i'm sure everyone is bored of my BMW stories by now. :]

Besides...it's no worse than other companies...

Brooklyn Machine Works, I remember when they made all of their own stuff, they clearly don't now. Even their pedals look like they've been farmed out to somewhere now.

Welcome to the real world.
The time you speak of, when they made all their own stuff, was the time they nearly folded and had to make some important decisions to allow the company to continue and grow.
In order for a relatively small company to research and develop new products they need to prioritize which products in their range are sorted and they can get manufactured elsewhere to acceptable standards.
I've owned both BMW made pedals and outsourced pedals, and guess what...they work the same!

There is no way a 3 or 4 man operation could churn out all the products they offered and still devote enough time to creating new products.
There are only so many hours in a day.

I'll give you a paypal address via pm.

16] Look quartz carbon pedals and cleats. used a couple of times. £2O

Dibs! Sending PM.

Yours.

i'll take the paul lever if available

thanks

Yours.

both please.
23&25 is fine.

Yours.