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Considering the top few places in downhill races are separated by fractions of a second, any potential advantage is important...just like in time trials.

Yeah, cos only old track bikes can be porn.

Epic repost.

And for all the millions Honda spent on it, it turns out some blokes in Halifax can put together a simple single pivot frame that works just as well.

It was never about that though was it...it was always the 'gearbox' that was the centre of attention.

Cunningham was another guy not afraid to try new things. :]

yeah, pro floater. Remember seeing one at a race when they'd just appeared...was very nice.

Well...for the time. :]

Because of the effect of gravity on all of the "stuff" in it.

It's aluminium and carbon fibre...mostly hollow....and cost a frigging fortune.
As far as downhill bikes go it was pretty damn light if memory serves me correct.

That must weight like a boat anchor.

Why?

And surely Rydon you mean the ultimate 'downhill' mountain bike in your opinion?

Almost...
Richard Cunningham already owned Mantis and made the elevated stay frames as custom jobs.
He designed frames for Nishiki to mass produce.
Both used bolted on steel rear ends and aluminium fronts in an attempt to use the best properties of both materials.
Something which Gary Fisher also did on the CR7.

The T26 was pretty porn worthy if you were tiny, seeing as that's who it was aimed at. There weren't all that many options for really short riders back then.
As was the even smaller T 24.
The only Alpinestars i ever liked was Mike Klosers Ti Mega...especially when he had the lawwill leader forks on. :]

maybe you meant genital? That would be a bit lame.

Its just my opinion - it doesn't make me right!

Elevated chain stay's were adopted by loads of companies but seem to have had there day. I'm not certain why but apart from chain slap I can't see any real benefits. I'm sure one of you will know better :)

BMW are to overbuilt and heavy for my taste but I see them as porn as they are pretty unique in there drive approach - and if you seen a Race Link or Slope Ranger in the flesh they really are drool worthy.

I know it's your opinion...i just like to hear WHY people see something as good or bad. :]

One of the biggest benefit of elevated stays was to allow shorter chainstays for better climbing. Back then most companies still used chainstay bridges, so the length had to allow for the bridge and mud room...E stays meant the wheel could sit closer to the BB.
Chain slap reduction was definitely a bonus too with mechs having weaker springs back then and flopping all over the place.

I agree Brooklyn makes pornworthy bikes...that's why i've owned 5 over the years. :]

I want some leather gloves for riding in and for daily wear. Preferably in tan with some kind of lining (cashmere?). I was thinking Dents? Anyone care to comment? Not Rapha obvs. £70 max.

Didn't DJ's Dents split after a week?

Infact the whole reason i found this forum years ago was through a discussion on fixed off road riding.

no MTB on this forum please. It's like wine aficionados talking about beer. doesn't work.

Ha...Fuck off...It's nothing like.
Do you think that because so many people love skinny wheels on here that they don't have the knowledge to have a discussion about other types of bikes?
I ride single speed and fixed off road so I'll post whatever the fuck i choose in 'bike porn'. ;]

the nishiki is a classic and this bike and dumber than a brick. Fucking hate this bike. such a worthless POS

Why is the Nishiki a 'classic' and why is the Brooklyn a 'worthless POS' ? :]

It depends how you define bad really doesn't it.
Perhaps you could explain why the Brooklyn is more pornworthy than the Mantis?

Though Mantis made great bikes too. :]

i like it because it's unusual
impratical - probably
wobbly - almost certainly
easily snapable - indupitably

but it's funky and looks good

You know it's also about 15yrs old too and that elevated chainstay bikes were pretty common back then right Dicki? :]

Few people did E-stays better than Nishiki anyway...

I'm dealing in quality, not quantity. ;]

Scott, would you says the same thing about the Freitag bags.

Which bit of what i said and in relation to which aspect of Freitag bags?
Gotta be a bit more specific than that Ed. :]

Well, it is fashion darling. It's a nicely made bag and it's Paul Smith. I personally hate find the print abhorrent and the idea of a gentile courier bag a bit lame, but that's just my taste. Yes it's not 100% functional, but then why should it be? Not all shoes feature the latest technological innovations, do they? Not everyone wants a bag made of plastic and Cordura.

Because it costs £225 and is aimed at cyclists...that's why it should be functional.
It's not as simple as just materials...it's basic design faults.
Surely the most basic function of a bag is simply to protect it's contents?
A bag supposedly designed to keep what is being carried dry and safe and it has two big gaping holes to let water run straight in. It's little things like that which could have actually had some thought put into them and then make it far easier to justify paying the extra simply because it has Paul Smith signatures on.
It's the general lack of care and thought about what a bag supposedly aimed at cyclists needs to achieve at the most basic level that makes the price tag even more ridiculous.

But then It's Rapha/Paul Smith...like there was ever going to be any concern about actual function. :]

Just throwing this out there....

Why is Tony Hadley wearing an oven glove?

My son Archie always seems to pull off epic wins.
Last night i was speaking to him on the phone and he said...

"You know how great granny died?"

"Yes"

"well you know how when people die, people go into their house and take things?"

"erm, Yes"

"Well I took some things from great grannies house"

"what did you take?"

"A gun, two knives, some coins, a magnifying glass, a maze book and 3 AA batteries"

"__laughing hysterically__"

"Oh...and a pack of duck tape"

i love my kids! :]

Again, I don't really have a problem with Rapha as a whole either. They have their place and do what they do....but when something this expensive is so badly designed it's pushing reputation = quality too far.

I'm a fan of Paul Smith, don't get me wrong...some of his clothes are very nicely cut...but this is a pisstake right?