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hey All,
I still have these cranks for sale, they are converted strada's (not by me...)
Campag 'Pista' Chainset 170mm ~ 52 tooth Chainring. They are the Non Fluted and are stamped with a 22 in a diamond (which puts them as 1986) Cosmetically not too bad with a couple of scratches on two of the spider arms, campag brev ring bolts, and on the non drive side has some heel rub thats been polished out...
The Issue is the drive side taper, it is a bit mangled, tho when it's squeezed down it's not an issue, the non drive side is fine. They are upmarket beater material, tho apart from being a bit dodgy are fine really, tho I know how much we are all purists...;D and that is reflected in the price...
For the Cranks/Bolts/Chainring I'd like £40 quid or offers pretty close to that.
I can throw in some Campag crankbolts in for another £8.

as terry tibbs says ...call me...oh7946oh26785

Front and rear mechs and chainset are Super Record, those bits alone are worth much more than you paid for the whole bike! Are the pedals Campagnolo? The brakes look like Victory, I'd have to check.

Brakes are definitely record, and the levers are nicely panto'd...Like the crew says...with some wet and dry paper, you can slowly remove the paint from the down tubes to show you which decals were there at all...
as with any of the chrome, never use anything abrasive...even pan scourers can cloud it badly, only use the very softest of cloth and use a test area first, chrome is fine with paint remover just make sure whatever tools you use are soft plastic.
As with the running gear, be careful with the polish...stuff with the factory anodising is getting really hard to come by, so try and protect it again...loads of cleaners use abrasive especially the aluminium polishes...use extremely hot water and loads of wahsing up liquid and a stiff long bristle brush and wash them, then fill a bucket with a litre of white spirit and wash again...it's greasy enough to chase the water out of the threads..and stops things corroding
then oil away...your running gear should look like new...stay away from wd40 in any situation, it causes wear in most cases.

This is the perfect found in a barn bike, an early 80's Merckx pro, you've made so many of us green faced!!!
Even before we found out you gave 50 euro!

Well done!

If Paint is no issue...heat...clamp the seat post in vice...if you can get butane on it to freeze it first (remember to be well ventilated...and a blow torch....;D

or hacksaw blade...be patient, have a spliff...and saw away...2 hours later (if you are unlucky...) it's out..

^^ You know there is also new steel? It's a lot like the old stuff only... Well better.

Going past the advances in metelugy in the last thirty years, you can get everything that old steel can do with new steel and in some cases more... As mentioned before disc brake tabs are good. Not all new bikes are alu and carbon.

There are two reasons for old steel. Fashion and cost. C'est tout.

(I think all but one of my bikes are steal, ranging from prewar sun/parkes tubing, through 70's Carlton and Dawes 531, to modern genesis, one-on and charge frames. Oh and the 70's holdsworth 501 that was my first fixed)

Like we keep saying....you're forgeting his budget...?

http://www.lfgss.com/thread89176.html#post3585799

This needs more pictures.

This!!!!!!!!!!!

oh and Ps...I'm not trying to be a pain and you look very capable, tho if you want someone to cut the forks.,..I've done so so many and can cut perfect right angles with a hacksaw. It's just an offer, and I'm drooling over this bike...really...I'll leave it at that...;D

Nice build!

Saw a bennotto 3000 (?) track frameset up for sale in that shop in Hackney Wick, but the price he has on the ticket is actually only 1/4 of what he wants for it, which is erm, weird.
But yeah they are a lush colour

That is a 3000, it used to be mine...Diamond chain stays, chrome benotto track forks and rear triangle, it's fucking loooong story...I so didn't wat to part with it...F*ckery...I haven't seen another 3000 track frame...Benotto track frames are few and far between...and 3000's insanely rare...so I'm fucking loving this build...I think this is a 2700..or thereabouts...I've seen a track frame that was special order or similar, he'd bougth it from a team member...and also, one of the dutch 'Maestro's' that owns quiet a few merckx bikes, has a molteni orange merckx with diamond stays...which he thought was made for Eddie maybe by benotto...?
anyhow...Chapeau...and much envy...;D...nice envy tho...not green eyed...
Every time I see champagne Bennies I'm 12 years old...watching the hell of the north with my cousins on VHS...that when the love affair started, that about the same time I saw my Joe Waugh too...
The guy round the corner from my mom had just had that and his Woodrup built for him...I wish I had bought the woodie too..its was also 653 tho made the Joe feel like lead...

Looks like a nice bike. They look like 27" wheels to me so don't go getting 700c or it will look very gappy. Looks like a firm basis for a first fixie, as the front is just a single all you really need is a new rear 27" fixed wheel.
However, are you sure this frame is your size? That looks like a mighty high stem and saddle so will feel cramped and the handling will be twitchy. If you want to spend £100 then spend it getting something that fits you and is comfortable, only then look at making it a fixie and get some better parts.

From the clearances that are on it already, it won't look massively gappy with 700c wheels...there is only an inch in it at the mo, so just get some cheap fixed wheels from here...trying for a fixed 27 will be a right pain in the 'Arris'...

You may be able to keep the chain set if you have a 20 tooth fixed cog as well.

the frame looks ok and has the right drop outs, and after all...only cost £15...thats a bargain right there...

if you need any bits give me a shout I have some freecyle stuff...And...I have the spanner, tools etc Where abouts in London are you? You can use them, tho I'd rather they didn't get borrowed...

good luck and safe riding

OK, let me elaborate. If you buy a old frame then you have to factor in the cost of any repair and refurbishment. Then you have to make sure that the components you have fit the old frame standards. You may have to find old parts in good working order. If it is a "name" e.g. Hetchins or Colnago then it may be worthwhile but if you just want a frame to ride then I see no point in spending as much on a "vintage" frame as on a new one.

Anyway, just my opinion.

I don't mean to be picky, tho he said exactly that...If the steel you want isn't a 'Nag or a pinarello, Bob Jackson or something else terribly hip...
Then you can get an amazing frame for sub £200...bearing in mind that many frames that come onto the forum from the 'Dutch Guys'...;D...will be 80/90's, great quality, won't have compatability issues (due to standardized sizing - of sorts anyways), will have plenty of life left, probably in really good condition ~ so won't need refurbing...and you may well get a fully loaded bike...for under £500...some of those will be more suited to touring than others...ie slightly less 'super sport' and a little more 'grand tourer'...remember anything too sporty (denoted by the gaps between the wheels and the frame anything with super close clearances will be twitchy if you add weight.)
If it's a pretty standard raleigh 531 then it should cost you about £100, as it's nothing special you can get some mounts brazed on for another £30 quid or so...(+ canti bosses a little more)...add a powder coat...thats £200...if you can find a tourer specific frame then all good, tho they are getting harder to find compared to people nearly giving them away 2-3 years ago...

Be aware that anything you buy new...will depreciate like crazy and will be worth half the money in 6 months, unless you spend a f*cking arm and a leg...ie £1200 or so...on a new FW Evans etc...won't be anything like as good a quality or RIDE...those saying 'Go modern' seem to be forgeting you have a limited budget, a good steel tourer with discs will be pretty steep...tho again...don't go for aluminium, they ride horribly.

Which brings us to the most important part...the Ride...

A classic steel frame will be infinitely more enjoyable to tour on than anything new and aluminium, and will last about 30 years longer as well. Alu frames are prone to stress failure, and do this far more regularly than steel ever does. Steel is far more forgiving when touring too, as the material stretches and flexes in ways that Alu never does...which makes for a far more enjoyable ride.

Keep your eyes peeled on here and ebay, you can still find full tourer bikes for around £250, they are harder to find, tho it's still doable.

If you are really considering going further than 10 miles around the city...

Get old Steel. It's that simple.

No wonder he carried a comb...

Bad, bad commute home.

Felt like having my eyeballs sandblasted.

this...I did a round trip from hackney to putney via brixton then to angel...and somehow the wind had almost reversed for the journey home...I really thought I was going to have fun times on the way back, it wasn't as bad as going but...anyhow....it was some bliss washing my eyes when home...

pictures added prices lowered further...please don't make me put stuff on the bay...I hate that corporate c*nt...

you need 'Snap on' sockets...(14mm) they have thin walls which allow you to 'get in there'...in that size about a £4 ...or a campag banjo spanner...

Marilyn Screen, Double Sided, Starlet and Star, One Off made for photo shoot. £75 or make me an offer...

Massive tripod, Great Quality, Heavy, goes about 6-7ft high, £20

Mic boom stand, £8

Leather Suiter, 60's, Linen Interior, Really nice object , £25

What is it you wanted me to send to the Ukraine???? ;D.....
DHL have there biggest Depot nr Kiev...

hey...My best mate is ukranian so this is a possiblity,.. give me an idea of where in Ukraine...? Lviv? Kiev?

Pedals and pista bb sold...Campag 103 pista BB shaft 68-P-110 still available...crank price lowered..

More Bump...prices down more...

bump ...£30

I've just written about old tin in the masi sale...and this is exactly what I meant...

There has been quite a profusion of beautiful italian tin on the forum lately, this, the mattolini's, the santini, the Pog...regardless of any new shit that comes along the romance and the character of these bikes will always hold some sort of power or energy.
I don't know if it's the fact that they are steel, and you know deep down that well looked after (even not so well looked after) they will still be performing well in another 30 years is what makes them special, tho I just cannot get as wistful or enthuse with passion when I look at a new tour bike...will people that are 15 now be getting excited about crabon in 30 years?
Is it that some guy (probably with a fag in his mouth, a greasy sweaty brow, and forearms like ship rope) with a great deal of skill and pride made it, and that in turn imbibes the frame with his character, and it is that that gives them the magic they continue to hold after all these years?
I find it comforting that regardless of age, gender, nationality, political or religious differences all the people that made these frames would find value, merit and pride in each others craftsmanship...

Chapeu...this is what I love about this forum.

anyhoo...bump...nice steel...

that's a peach....super lush...loving the forks.

It won't need to be bumped tho have one anyway...;D

If you want something....phone me...there is a phone number here to facilitate that??

Hmm, this picture shows the frame built up with a wedge post like DFP sugested.

I'm inclined to go for a slit, I can't see it doing any harm? I fucking hate wedge seatpins.

Hey baba, if you aren't that hot on metal working...then I'll do it for a guiness.
Just so you you don't worry about me fucking it up either ...;D....I have been a car and motorcycle restorer in the past.

Rationale like that ^^^^ is a bit sort of redolent of our Gumtree 'traders'.

What exactly is that meant to mean?