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It's not an instruction, it's a recommendation. The only time, by law, that you have to obey the highway code is when it says 'must'

Sano, my bad, I used 'instruction' when I should have used 'recommendation' or 'suggestion'.

Although see Fred's quote from the Highway Code as well regard should/should not...

Read this: http://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/files/fullbrook.pdf

The key message from this paper, and the thing to be wary of if you are in an accident is the other party automatically trying to reduce any compensation due to you because you were not wearing a helmet. If you have not suffered any head injuries, then there is no case for contributory negligence related to the wearing, or not, of a helmet. If you have suffered head injuries and were not wearing a helmet, then the arguments start as to whether a helmet would have reduced the severity of the injuries you sustained. If the answer to that is yes (very difficult to prove, but there you go) then you can expect to have any compensation reduced by up to 25% as a result.

It ain't that difficult to understand. As others have said, it's about taking responsibility for your choices and actions and being aware of your rights.

Yep. But we are trying to understand and interpret the law, so it helps! I'm not a lawyer, BTW, not even close.

Serioiusly, if you really want to try and understand contributory negligence (at least as it relates to cycle helmets) the document I linked to up there ^^^ written by a lawyer who works with the cyclist defence fund is quite good (if dull).

More generally, about contributory negligence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributory_negligence

If a ped gets hit by a car and bumps their head, and we feel that their head injury could have been prevented by wearing a helmet, why does the same not apply?

The difference is that there is not an equivalent instruction in the Highway Code (or elsewhere) suggesting that pedestrians should wear helmets, nor is it common practice for pedestrians to do so.

I dont see how you have the blame of the incedent turned round on you for not wearing a helmet. If it was law to where a helmet that that if fine, it is neglgence (like the building site example on page one. On the building site it is law to were the corrent safety equipment so if you hurt youself while not wearing it then it is your fault). But, for something that is recomended and not enforced by law then how do they have a leg to stand on? It is the Motorcyilists fault for hitting him. Whether a cyclist is wereing a helmet or not is beside the point. I do were a helmet by the way but that is my choice to do so.

A point that I am unsure of is can you be liable if a car takes you out and you are running brakless? In my view, by law, you need at least one working brake on your bike, but, a fixed back wheel counts as that brake. Dose anyone know if this is the case?

As I said further up there^^^ Contributory negligence has nothing to do with establishing fault for an accident occuring in the first place, it is about the degree to which compensation may be reduced due to any actions by the injured party which may have contributed to the level of injuries sustained.

In the incident mentioned in the article, the motorcyclist was judged to be at fault, that is, to have caused the accident. The fact that the rider was not wearing a helmet was then a factor in determining the level of damages that would be awarded to the party not at fault, in this case the cyclist. These are two completely separate decisions which should not be confused.

The Highway Code states that cyclists should wear a helmet. You do not have to, but no one can legitimately claim that the wearing of a helmet is something that they have been encouraged to do, which is why a helmet can be brought into consideration. Body armour, as mentioned above, is not something that is widely or expected to be worn on a bicycle on the road, so it is not considered.

A bike on British roads is required to have two, independent braking systems. You are correct to say that a fixed wheel is recognised as a braking system but for a bike to be legal for road use you still need another (and no, two legs do not count!). Similarly, a singlespeed needs a brake front and rear to be legal, it scares me how many riders on singlepeeds only have a front brake (what are you going to do when the cable frays and snaps on you?).

If a car driver caused an accident then they caused the accident, regardless of the state of your bicycle. However, while the issue of brakes may not have anything to do with establishing the cause of an accident, again, it may be taken into account in determining the level of damages awarded.

After all, they have targets to meet...

Contributory negligence has nothing to do with establishing fault for an accident occuring in the first place, it is about the degree to which compensation may be reduced due to any actions by the injured party which may have contributed to the level of injuries sustained.

The most useful response on the BikeRadar site included this:
*For the clearest analysis of situation regarding cycle helmets and contributary negligence, see Julian Fulbrook's paper at *http://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/files/fullbrook.pdf

It's a good (if slightly over long and dull) read regarding your legal standing when claiming compensation after an accident. Worth a read.

i think kieth from TdV suggested the Dave Yates course to me the other day which i might well do in a couple yearsssss

Give how popular it seems to be, you might need to book now!

Yep, I love that Pure Blood but I do think it's ridiculously overpriced for what it is. You'd be better off getting a Singular Peregrine:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/singularcycles/sets/72157608998417941/

Can't say the colour scheme does anything for me at all. But got to agree with kerley. If you were after a fixed bike for winter training or commuting and weren't bothered by having to have steep track-oriented geometry then swapping the dropouts on a standard road frame is a good option. Even better if you can swap the dropouts, as then you could have the same bike geared in summer, fixed in winter, if that was your thing and you were short on space.

All of which adds to the general impression that the police are a bunch of power mad cunts who don't care who they screw over.

And these are the same people who insist they need 42 days not 28? Yeah, right.

a little background reading so you know what 'service' standards to expect

politely ask the officer to produce their warrant card, to reassure you that they're not some fule on a merry jape,they can get disciplined if not carrying.

Useful link, thanks for that. Most interesting is that you do not have to give your name, address or date of birth unless being charged with an offence. I bet they gloss over that as much as possible in practice.

Looks like black ink to me though? Actually, that's what Superprecise says in the post #101 with the pics...

Sweet. They look so good I might even have to get two. :^)

prototype:

hippy
lucky
dt
rik (I like to sound of it, but I will like to see one finish first)
hassan (thought not on any original list for a bag, the rucsack sounds really good)
rocksteady (the fixed mag prize bag)
TheBrick(Tommy) but leave me for a few months minimum bit as I am broke.
dogsballs (you're welcome ya whinger)
seb_pf

regular:

social amnesia - daddy mack + new smaller rucksack
broker - ninja
+imMe - never made my mind up on size
hassanr - flpower straps (keeping the grobag theme :) )
dancing james - stripped down medium sized bag
edscoble - theo
JDB - theo
hamster - archie
spaghoops - a ninja please
daccordi - ninja please
bombadil - archie please
rg37:Theo please + some flpower straps would be nice :)
Skully - Archie was the original request but tempted by talk of new rucsac...
livingasleep - Ninja
yeh731 - Ninja (but am also interested in the new products...)
Casp - Archie as original order.
Mdizzle -Would love a back pack....
Nahguavkire - Model TBC (Archie or Ninja most likely)
Davey C- Theo, artwork has been discussed.
Wibble - A Mashton would be lovely
kelvin - small backpack please
geoffersmaher- that mashton plese thanking you
dee Cal - not on original, but archie and poss an Addie too. 'mazin!
Kam - Ninja (last i heard you were minutes away from finishing it - not sitting in the corner is it)?
Gralegav - ninja, pretty please!
Polybikeuser - already down for two Ninjas (one's for my brother) and you can add me to the list for one of the new smaller rucksacks to replace my stolen courier bag - I'll start working on getting the embroidery for it now!
Balki - ninja or archie. Would like to have a look before deciding
Cornelius Blackfoot - paid for an archie and a theo (way back in the day when Scott was practically giving them away) got the archie - which is the smaller one I think, then changed the theo to a ninja, but now really need something bigger than a small timbuk, but smaller than the archie I already own. Hope thats not too confusing. you already have my embroidery design.
PinkGottiMobbs - Can I put my name down for a Mashton please.
CrazyJames - Theo/Archie and possibly a ninja hip as well, would like to try them on though to make sure of comfort/fit etc.
A1astair - would like to see in the flesh but probably a theo.. also, are you still doing the power-grip-alikes at all? If so, then I'd love a black pair of them with 3m, if possible?
Ved - ninja please.
PinkGottiMobbs - Archie, All Black with pink inside. Cheers
Bobs Dids- provisional small backpack order. Details to follow!
chatters - Addie please (it looks the business)
whatfriends - archie. colour to be confirmed. thanks.
hatrack - Archie (would be good to see one 1st), will need longer shoulder straps, colour to be confirmed. Ta!
AdamM (theoretically on the list a month ago via email but now added here) - Theo please, subject to testing one for size

Can't decide... love the purple and the green, but the grey is my favourite by a long way, works really well with the black and halftone design. This looks ace, I'll definitely buy one.

Oh, and collected from where?

Ah, the Dunwich. I've ridden it the last three years:
2006 was pretty wet and cold but fun with a good group of 8 friends (none of whom have done it again after 2005 and 2006 were both wet.
2007, when I rode on my own, was fucking awful. Very wet, and I had the wrong tyres - 13 punctures in total (6 between London and Dunwich, 7 between Dunwich and Ipswich)
2008 was dry and lovely but very hard work as I was much less fit than previous years.

Each year I ride to Ipswich so including to/form home that makes it about 170 miles in total. Not sure I can do it this year as my wife is due to have a baby on 08 July! If the baby is early and I am allowed out of the house (VERY unlikely), I'll hopefully do this, but will definitely extend my route to either do 300km or 200 miles.

Thanks Ved and Aroogah, pending a chat with the wife, I hope to meet you tomorrow.

Hey guys, not been to one of these drinks before, as a relatively new forum member, is it still at the Crabtree, as per the title, or has the venue changed somewhere in amongst the last 4267 posts?

Cheers,
Adam

*1. Smeear

1. alockett
   
2. Slamm
   
3. Moog
   
4. Geoffersmaher
   
5. OliDale
   
6. rg37
   8.Stein
   9.Leo
   
7. Edd 13
   
8. forms (depending on style of shirt)
   
9. motman
   
10. hassanr
    14.Eyebrows - damn you for being too quick
    15.Clefty
    
11. mmccarthy
    
12. a|s (would prefer black t-shirt option so maybe white print? - just to complicate things)
    
13. Buddha Fingaz
    
14. Hellomiles
    
15. motoko (ship to the states?)
    
16. Dylan
    
17. el squire (the bigger the print the better!)
    23.hoops.....good thinkin, i like it when we make stuff for each other!
    
18. Andrea
    25.Fresh (if black and white)
    
19. Slag (as is no S)
    
20. PiQuE (pending final outcome)
    
21. Rik
    
22. Last Caress. I'll take b/w or colour. Colour is better.
    
23. Tika - why so slow to post? :)
    
24. plingboot (would quite like it on a grey shirt...)
    
25. Jammy (XXL though, on a black t shirt. Don't mind about colours of the print)
    
26. jim2106 med possibly large, digging the colours though
    
27. RBS def an s and an m in black and white
    
28. pistaboy
    
29. peterdoig
    
30. teew
    
31. humbert
    
32. d14vd_h
    
33. ehren_fried_chicken
    
34. Dr Chan
    
35. 50/14 (if white and black)
    
36. RC21(W/B - Large) Bigger the print the better :)
    
37. mooks (again, in less hipster-ish tones)*
    
38. john maxwell
    
39. casparnelson
    
40. Elicius (Ship to Denmark?)
    
41. Mechamorgan - White shirt black design for my vote, but I'll take whatever. That's a fresh shirt.
    
42. edscoble
    50! AdamM - medium please
    

What is an Addie? Is that one of the backpack range?

Topeak Morph Turbo, backpack sized mini track pump. Its says 160 psi on the gauge, dont know about that but have had it up to 130 psi with a bit of effort.

+1 for the Topeak Morph range, there are three sizes, pick the one that suits your tyres best (eg, they do a mountain bike one for high volume, lower pressures)

**Mashtons Pocket
**------------------------------------
Big Daddy Wayne // Grey digi cam, yellow liner
Wibble
geoffersmaher - Charcoal with blue interior
PinkGottiMobbs
CrazyJames Neon green outer, blue liner for my mashton please.
JDB - Mariner blue outer, silver liner please
Polybikeuser - I want three, One navy blue with blue liner, one black and one charcoal, both with the silver liner, and can I have me reflective patches on all three in place of the blinky tab, thanks.
Superprecise - black outer and red liner please
AdamM - olive outer, cerise liner please

Scott not scot, you've got PM.

Plenty of people in my office today, although mostly the ones that come in by train from north of London. Ace fun riding to work today and the few cars on the road were (mostly) being driven in a responsible manner...