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Explain to me how this is the fault of regulators, please? In my understanding this entire episode is a result of an unregulated financial system (at the request of bankers).

Regulators and Government allowed teh bankers, and the public at large, to live on the wave of a limitless credit boom.

If they had had tighter rules and regulations in place, then we wouldn't have seen this happen.

However tighter rules and regulations don't win votes, and as political parties are more concerned with staying in power, than making any meaningful social change theses days, they tend to come up with short term policy to ensure power, than long term policies encouraging social and financial stability

Not in my fucking name you don't. I don't think I'm alone in this either, in fact you might find I'm in the majority.

Minority more likely

Oh yeah, thanks :)

I know fuck all about this confusing and magical world. Anyway. Again. Tell everyone in the UK to fork over 6k a year for three years - as a fee for the pleasure of bankers fucking up - and you will see a lot of angry people.

Its easy to blame the bankers - but the truth is thought they played a part, every one in the country went credit crazy, and the real blame lies with the regulators who set the framework which enabled them to do this.

I think you will find many people are having to swallow 6ks worth of lost income via cuts/pay etc.

I dont disagree with the students, but i think their is a huge amount of naivety about how they have conducted their campaign - if anything there is a real opportunity here for the brightest minds of tomorrow to step up to the plate, but very few of the student leaders/reps i have seen interviewed have not had the intellectual ability to get their argument across, or put down the politicians.

Labour must be having a right old laugh about this, they caused the mess, leave the others to clear it up and take the blame.

I think its very misguided of people to be so anti Tory/Coalition - its the political system thats fucked up, with all the parties guilty of pandering to commerce and unrealistic economic expansion at the expense of social progress.

If anything i revile Labour more than any other party for selling their history totally down the drain.

Exactly - my point was i am far worse off than 18k over 3 years, not in one year.

Not that rich - i have my own business - the tax hits on that, plus the tax hits on my income, plus the fact that VAT rises mean i have to accomodate the rise within my existing fee structure, mean i will be worse off.

More - VAT rise and Income Tax hit me by more than that in a year.

On a side note, and i doubt it apples to many here - but anyone going on to a career in the city is likely to have their fees paid for them by their employer

I think if the student leaders had condemned the violence, they would have retained a lot more public sympathy. Everyone is getting hit by cuts at the moment, yet you dont see people lobbing bricks at the police, smashing up public buildings and defacing national monuments.

As it is, if anything the protests have had the exact opposite effect of what they where trying to achieve.

Charlie Gilmour alone has done more damage to the campaign than a bunch of anarchists joining in for shits and giggles.

This is a great photo

I think that there is a need to pay fees for university education, primarily because the amount of people attending university has reached such a level that it can no longer realistically fully state subsidised.

However it should be means tested, so those who are poor don't have to pay fees, and those that can afford to do so.

But more than that i think the whole approach to education should be reviewed - many people do not need to go to university - i spent 3 years in Bristol, and nothing i did there has any bearing on what i do now, not has it ever helped me advance in any job. I now employ people myself, and the ones who have a decent school education, and then have learnt on the job and real world experience tend to be far better than those whose only experience and knowledge are those they have parrot learned at Uni.

Universities are great institutions, but we need to lower the amount of people going needlessly, and then we can return to a level where fees are no longer necessary.

I will add that i am a life long lib dem, and pissed at their behaviour, but even more pissed off that the behaviour on the streets means that the focus has shifted from the wrongs of government, to the wrongs of the protesters, that all

the savings from cutting funding to uni's is £6bn.

vodafone have allegedly had £6bn tax written off.

what about in 10 years when people come from uni with £40k+ debt and can't afford to buy houses? etc.

If they do an apprenticeship straight out of school, rather than take a pointless degree, they wont have this problem.

I am fully behind state subsidised education, but far too many people go to Uni, many of whom would actually be better off doing something else.

The standard of education up to 18 should be such that unless you specialise in something, you dont really need to go to Uni, as on the job education is a better option.

Its a fuck fest - all most people know is that theirs a bunch of youths rioting in central London, the whole reason for the protest has been overtaken by the media coverage of the fallout.

And i would say what had hassling them got to do with tuition fees? Nothing

Behaviour like that makes the majority of the UK population think, why the fuck should my taxes pay for these yobs to go to uni.

The protests get a lot of publicity, but in reality i dont think they get much sympathy - the economy is fucked, and the free ride is over, not just for students, but everyone

What do you expect if you attack the car carrying a member of the royal family? Police to tell you to move away nicely?

All these incidents just make the protesters look like a bunch of yobs, and do the cause more harm than good

If only the youth of today could be arsed to vote as much as they can to turn up for a ruck.

Seems to me there are a lot of idiots ruining these protests, by just want to cause a bit of bother, and not really giving a shit about the reason for the protest - i was on my motorbike down off Victoria street earlier, and a bunch of cunts posing as protesters tried to knock me off by lobbing a bollard at me - i'm all for my taxes furthering education, but i'll be dammed if half these cunts give a shit about furthering their own education

Awesome photo ^^ !!

Happy Birthday!

This is an absolute tragedy, but having spent a lot of time in the Italian Alps, i cant say i am suprise as some of the driving over there needs seeing to be believed.

Some of the anti car crap that is spouted on here is beginning to sound as bad as the anti cycling comments you see in the daily mail.

This accident was caused by someone being an idiot, plain and simple. You get people who drive, ride motrobikes, ride bicycles, even walk around like idiots and cause accidents.

Training is the answer, not limiting, as sometimes you need to accelerate in a car, on a bike or whatever to avoid an accident. I have avoid numerous accidents on my bicycle and motorbike by being able to accelerate out of trouble, as many as i avoid by not going so fast that i cant slow down

I find it ridiculous that you can take a 5 day intensive course having never driven, and walk away with a full license. Instruction should be over six months, with levels you have to pass through.

Motorway limits should be raised, urban limits should be dropped, zero tolerance for drink/drug driving, and a licensing system introduced that encourages road awareness rather than just teches you to pass a test.

......I know - I can't get them anywhere outside of the US either!

Room 101 are super-hip at the moment. Check out their marketing stuff, known as the Conspiracy:

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And they're very good too - scored a 93 recently for the Conjura range.

Seems like the Ed Hardy of cigars - no matter how good they smoke you wouldnt find me puffin on one of them

2 votes no cup

Sepp says China did

What a joke

They keep having 200 quid off weekend events - it was at 799 a couple of weeks ago, back up to 999 now, but no doubt will be reduced again.

Henry, i was recently looking into CX bikes, and nearly pulled the trigger on a Boardman - not the most glamorous of brands, but for the money it was hard to beat, and had the nicest ride of all teh bikes i tried.

Only reason i didnt get it was an impulse snowboard buying session got in the way.

http://www.boardmanbikes.com/cx/CX_Pro.html

VV fancy getting your bike in a magazine?

Its already been in quite a few, and also on TV a couple of times - my days of media whoring are over though!