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I know a lot of sparky's who use maxi scooters, and a lot of my guys leave their stuff on site and bicycle in each day (most of my contacts are 3+ months)

They like the scooters because most have a 12v output and you can rig it to keep shit charged up on the move.

The main reason i use my maxi scooter over my bike around town is i can lock all my tools in it and pop into any merchant etc - if i use my bike i have to lug it around with me.

It makes me laugh when people call out in-line skating, especially as fixed gear freestyle is pretty much on a par, if not more of a joke in the eyes of most people who regularly inhabit a skatepark

I have worked in various skate parks, and seen kids throw down some insane shit on rollerblades, not everyone's cup of tea but far from lame

Love that paint job hoops

That is fucking horible

Well said James - Not my cup of tea at all, but i have a couple of mates who have done this and really got themselves in shape, mostly before getting married.

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Alpine Sports always had the best adverts in Skateboard! magazine. Myself, I bought a Skuda in the Summer of 77 from Slick Willies, to replace my old Surf Flyer. Still got it.

Pretty sure i got my first set up from there - in fact i even worked there for a bit in the mid 90's

blue quinn says ...... As for noise pollution, it appears from a quick web search to be no worse than buses (at 75-85Db depending on which google hit you read)

but buses can carry 40 - 50 people or some other big number of people whereas motorbikes can only carry two. and usually just one.

so the noise output per person is greater - which is selfish.

and those on the receiving end of noise pollution suffer.

i dont like any mode of transport that causes noise but i read a study by the uk noise association that said motorbike are disproportionately noisy.

What has any of this got to do with motorcycles in the bus lane - you dont like motorbikes, fine, but whether you like them or not has nothing to do with this argument

In a hipster bar in east London, probably more than true. In reality, far from the truth. I work for an organisation with around 300 employees from all different walks of life and all across the country, SFAIK I'm the only one with two full tattoo sleeves.
It's not mainstream enough for me to not consider covering up when I think there's a chance of being pre-judged in a situation where I'd rather not be judged on appearance or considered to be "making a statement". The tattoos are for me, not for other people to look at and make decisions on so I reserve the right to anonymity when I feel like it.

In fact i am not talking about East London, an area i hardly venture into - i am talking about out in the shires.

I love good tattoo work, but at least amongst the under 30's, the amount of generic large scale ink work is on the rise.

Out of what you wear? Probably

Tattos are now the mainstream, probably way more of an alternative stance not to have one - i used to really want a sleave, but the amount of boy band wanabes you see walking around with them now really puts me off.

This forum is to hipsters what** Nuts** is to chavs.

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Fucking hell, all this naval-gazing righteous trivia is a royal pain in the arse. This forum is obsessed with hipsters and hipness, it's fucking lame. Just do whatever makes you happy. Personally I'd rather wear a bowtie than a Rapha jersey.

I am suprised Rapha dont make a gortex riding bow tie

I hardly think this thread is serious

Where you're going wrong is assuming 'hipster' is pejorative (which admittedly the whole idea of this thread makes it out to be..)

The idea is having a self-conscious notion of your own personal presentation, I think. It's people who make an effort to stand out as having a different idea of things to 'squares' (yeah!), a kind of aloofness and self-sufficiency not requiring validation from the mainstream. Of course people can try to aspire to this or imitate it, which is where a lot of using hipster as pejorative comes in, people who don't actually get it and end up making themselves look a little foolish. Of course a lot of the rest of it is people feeling alienated or that there's something going on that they're not in on, so they try to belittle it. Of course, (like with, well, like with anything) "the trick is that there is no trick". But you do have to be prepared to put the effort in. And I suppose have an eye for the right kind of things.

For what it's worth, this

is very cool. Also very hip, but definitely in a good way.

It's funny the things people get scared/uncomfortable/defensive about

Not scary - just shit.

I dont see that it doesnt help - its what we do on motorbikes! Mirrors would obviously be pretty usefull on a bicycle, but as they look like cack i doubt many outside the OAP rando market who already use em would be interested

Several of the staff and hundreds of members are motorcyclists and cyclists. We enjoy riding motorbikes - that does not mean that we should agree with the nonsense of motorcycles in bus lanes being safer or better for the environment.

Exactly - the point is its not a nonsense, its a sensible idea that requires a bit of compromise. The majority of considered thought in cities where the scheme has been in place is that it has increased road safety and awareness, and i really think that your agenda does not reflect the majority of London cyclists views, as i dont think that most of us are anti the idea.

London is a fucked up big mess of a city, and no road user is going to have a situation that is perfect

Ed, thats not my point - the point is its been running for 15 years, so the data over those 15 years is relevant, versus a brief trial in London.

Also i was at Uni in Brizzle back then, and their were shit loads of cyclists

What are the stats from Bristol where the opened up the bus lanes to motorbikes over a decade ago?

Surely thats a better indication of long term success (which i am guessing it is as its be going since 1996) or failure, along with any data from Bath, Birmingham, Colchester, Derby, Hull, Newcastle on Tyne, Plymouth, Reading, Richmond on Thames, Sheffield, Swindon, Sunderland and Belfast which all allow motorbikes

Personally as a cyclist i feel that lobbying groups efforts would be much better directed in providing better facilities for us, rather than this - why not ask for better cycle lanes within existing bus lanes?

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The reason this whole thing pisses me off is that a scheme that makes life on the roads much safer for one road group, is being opposed by another with no real justification.

Sod the figures, the reality is that being able to use a bus lane make life a lot less sketchy for motorcyclists, and has hardly any effect on cyclists - aside from on here, i have never had any cycling friend of mine mention that they have any issue with motorbikes in the bus lane, and most of them think that since they have been allowed in there, cars drivers have become more aware of people using the bus lane.

Of course there are going to be accidents, but its very early days yet, and as road users get used to it, the accident rate will go down.

Motorcyclist tend to be pretty sympathetic to cyclists, because we share similar exposure on the road, but the attitude that is been shown toward them from teh LCC and the like, means in the long run they are likely to loose that support.

One big factor, is that motorbikes always used the bus lanes anyway - i really haven't noticed any difference between the legalising of it and before.

I think LCC want improved safety for vulnerable road users.. particularly cyclists. I don't think your suggestion would help this tbh.

Also being on this forum presumeably you're a cyclist? Do you stick to filtering on the inside, and stay the fuck out of the middle of the road?

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Have you considered Cycle Training?

My post was ironic - we cyclists are a bunch of Nimbys - its not all right for any other road user to infringe on their roadspace, but its perfectly ok for them to use any roadspace as they see fit.

Accidents are caused by people driving/riding like idiots, and you cant legislate for incompetence.

Modern life has tried to mitigate the damage done to an caused by those who would previously have been sidelined by natural selection, as a result the rest of us have to live in a world with ridiculous regulations all designed in case mr stupid does something stupid.

So much ignorance on this thread about Motorcycling.

If LCC want motorbikes out their bus lanes, then cyclists should agree to stick to filtering on teh inside, and get the fuck out of middle of the road.

Loved that fast bikes vid - 2 of the riders in that went on to ride MotoGP

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He also won the Red Bull Cobble Wobble hill climb thing recently

The tracks need to be a bit bigger, so 2 people can properly have at it - great idea, just need refining