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http://connect.garmin.com/player/52258804

northshore planks, freeriding, bogs, bikes as zimmerframes, it had it all

cheers to tom and ed for making it happen

I love how when you play the route, you get bits where it sort of fidgets a bit without doing much.

I am thinking that at 36 minutes we were probably wading through a nettle infested bog trying to work out how to get into a field that we could see through the trees.

Good times.

fuck that james that's a road ride with added doubletrack bridleways.
that's like visiting london and walking from one end of oxford st to the other and thinking you have seen london. you have basically ridden past all the sweet surry hills singletrack

Having been on that ride, I'd say it was more like going back and forth along the A4, totally missing Oxford Street, etc, then veering off up Caledonian Road and falling into the canal, subsequently returning home knowing that - as impressive as St Pancras is - you've not really seen what you came for.

Perhaps you should be our guide next time? I hear that you know where to find things.

Still had a lot of fun. Reminded me of how much I love MTBing, even on a "bad" day.

But if we're doing unicorn re-posts...

I have this shirt. Brilliant, but no one ever really gets the joke.

Rik, looks like your tight jeans are cutting off the circulation to you head.

I used to be a smart arse in my younger days too but a smack in the chops sorted me out.

Yeah Rik, why don't you spend less time hanging around Brick Lane during the week and go back to art school you skinny jeaned, anorexic, ironic hair-cut, airbrushed wolf-shirt, Surrey rich kid.

Lots good available for that money. Boardmans are well regarded.

PM'd

We should probably check trains are OK though, as I had trouble last time. I think that might have been a specific Pope-tastrophy though.

sweet, i live in kew, so could meet you on the train as it goes through putney

pm for contact detail swap

I propose riding Dorking on Saturday arriving there around 11am. I looked up Epping Forest but reports say it gets really muddy after rain so it's probably still pretty boggy.

I don't have route map or know of any trails but if we head to the tower I'm sure we can find something fun.

I'm going to this, from Putney. If anyone wants to meet up at Clapham Junction (or even Putney, which is where I'm leaving from) to make the pilgrimage to Dorking, let me know.

Wrong thread, and no.

650c and 26" are different sizes.

I've still got that map from last time kicking around, which I can bring.

Excellent. James, you're the one with plans, so I guess you're in the driving seat re: which day you want to go.

Is anyone doing anything this weekend?

Huh, that started pretty much opposite my flat. I'd be up for it next year for sure.

OK, so I'll jump on that train (the 10.33am from Clapham Junction). Shall we say the rear carriage?

Early, but not too early. Perhaps an 11am meet at Dorking? Obviously people can meet up at the London end with a view to arriving in Dorking together.

Personally, I've going from Putney via Clapham Junction if anyone wants to meet up at CJ.

Dancing James, if you come along on Saturday and sweet talk me enough, I'll take you riding in Stratford Upon Avon if you're up there with your MTB some time. Ahh, the trails of my youth.

OK, Saturday the 18th (a week today). Who wants to ride?

Mr K&E?

Well, I have got twice the travel you have, and discs.

Today definitely gave me a sense that there are some great trails at Box Hill, and it's just a case of learning how they tie together. I'd definitely like to ride there with someone who has some local knowledge.

Looking forward to lots of riding this autumn. If anyone has a car and fancies driving down to Bedgebury, I've got some petrol money burning a hole in my pocket.

Just the two of us at the moment.

Mmmmmmcarty, where you at?

I'm coming from Putney, so I'll join it at Clapham. Can we have a list of who is going to be meeting in Dorking at 10am on Sunday, so we have a rough idea how many people to expect (to avoid excessive waiting around).

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Meet at Dorking Station at 10am? I know there is a train that gets in at something like 10.01 from London.

I want to start early as I want to go to my Gran's house in Sidcup in the afternoon.

I'm game, Sunday being better than Saturday (I was planning a roadie run up to St Albans and back on Saturday).

I'll get on at Clapham Junction, so if someone could PM me their number so I can co-ordinate with the trains that would be good.

It's a size "long" and it has a 57cm effective top tube. We're talking MTB geometry though, so that's fairly small (equivalent to about a 16" or 17" frame?).

Honestly, I think that you would find it spot on for jumping/street but a bit small for polo.

It's a size long, the rear hub is a screw on freewheel (although the dropouts have a derailleur hanger) and the front brake is cable and, from memory, a Hayes.

Have you ever owned a Cinelli Alter/Integralter/Angel? The stem body is immensely stiff compared with the thin walled tube which wraps around the steerer. As kerley points out, you can generate a proper clamping force as long as the steerer tube fits precisely into the clamp bore, because you then don't have to move anything very far to generate the required hoop stress, but in my experience that fit would need to be of the order of a light interference fit to make it work. Meanwhile, you're bending the whole body of the stem to generate your clamping force, which is going to deform to front clamp, and then you tighten the front clamp to stop your bars from creaking and that feeds back into the hoop stress of the steerer clamp. The only way to make it work reliably across the range of steerer tube OD tolerance is to make the extension of the stem deliberately flexible from side to side, which is pretty much precisely what you'd try to avoid when designing a stem.

Obviously, the stem will be adequate, because it turns out that you have to try even harder than that to completely fuck up cycle component design to the point where it becomes unusable, as witness supermarket BSOs, but it will necessarily be less stiff than a well designed stem of equal weight or heavier than a well designed stem of equal stiffness. There is clearly a market for novelty stems where looks totally dominate the design over function, and this is one of those.

From what I can tell by, and this is only a cursory Google Images search, the Angel had bolts at the rear. To me it just sounds like the Cinellis were a poor implementation of the design, rather than definitive proof that it doesn't work.

I would also suggest that a small degree of "give" in the walls of the extension of the stem does not automatically render it prone to noticeable amounts of torsion. That said, I've not tried the BMW stem nor have I seen any lab tests, so I'm not really in a position to comment on the efficacy of the design.

I've checked the shipping tariffs and it's not actually as bad as I thought it would be, if it's sent two day DPD. The problem is being around to have it collected - I've got an office job and the Saturday surcharge is £18...

Let me have a think about this.

Because it never gets used yet continues to take up room, I've decided to sell the Commencal Absolut that I used to play polo on, back when I played polo.

It's in the classifieds (so apologies for the cross post), but it was suggested that polo players would be more interested in freewheel, singlespeed MTBs than the regular fixie skidders would be.

Given that it's only ever been used for polo, cost £600 when I got it a few years ago and is the only thing other than cockroaches that will survive a nuclear holocaust, I was thinking £230 ono.

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I look forward to everyone's comments when they see this thread.